Democratic Party Rebuild

[Loose]

@Loose

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article285811976.html?taid=660918095981f400018ceff0

Single family zoning is the only thing allowed in many places. Thats the point dumbass.

You dumb fukk you brought up florida as an example of what the democratic party should aspire to be, Florida is the exact opposite of what dem states should be doing. Florida's housing industry which has little to no residential zoning consist of FOR PROFIT private corporation single family homes sprawled throughout the entire state. Nothing about that is idea, its a land waste that could have been used for multifamily homes in a large consolidated metro.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You dumb fukk you brought up florida as an example of what the democratic party should aspire to be, Florida is the exact opposite of what dem states should be doing. Florida's housing industry which has little to no residential zoning consist of FOR PROFIT private corporation single family homes sprawled throughout the entire state. Nothing about that is idea, its a land waste that could have been used for multifamily homes in a large consolidated metro.

bruh did you read the article?

Exclusionary zoning is why theres single family homes.

I really dont get why you’re so stubborn. Theres no such thing as non-profit housing

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article285811976.html

 

[Outlaw]

You're not wrong that greed is a persistent part of human behavior, but where we differ is in the idea that we can just "channel" it and everything will work out. That just seems like accommodation. And when you build systems around accommodating greed, you end up with exactly what we have now where corporations are shaping public priorities to serve private profits.

The idea of letting government pick winners and losers sounds strategic until you realize it's usually the biggest donors and the industries with the most lobbying power influencing those picks. That's not the government being rational and wise, that's capitalism gaming democracy.

Also, the assumption that corporations are more "controllable" than government doesn't line up with reality. Corporations don't answer to the public, they answer to shareholders. At least with government, there's a theoretical mechanism for accountability through elections, public pressure campaigns, and oversight. With corporations, once they've captured policy-making power, the public is locked out.

I don't think leftist control would make greed disappear, but I do believe in designing a system that constrains and redirects it through real accountability, and not by feeding it and hoping it behaves.

Interesting, do you think socialism aligns more with collective human psychology than capitalism?

Eventually psychopaths will bubble up to control the socialist government, do you think it’s sustainable?

I don’t think humanity is evolved enough to handle socialism right now even though I think it’s an eventuality once our collective consciousness becomes enlightened enough.

Let me ask you this also, wouldn’t higher corporate taxation be a good counter balance for the abundance strategy? You give corporations the power to do public works but you drain the power on the backend through taxation.

Not to get too woo woo but achievement is what satisfies the ego, the hoarding of money does nothing for it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Interesting, do you think socialism aligns more with collective human psychology than capitalism?

Eventually psychopaths will bubble up to control the socialist government, do you think it’s sustainable?

I don’t think humanity is evolved enough to handle socialism right now even though I think it’s an eventuality once our collective consciousness becomes enlightened enough.

Let me ask you this also, wouldn’t higher corporate taxation be a good counter balance for the abundance strategy? You give corporations the power to do public works but you drain the power on the backend through taxation.

Not to get too woo woo but achievement is what satisfies the ego, the hoarding of money does nothing for it.

I dont know why people are so fascinated with just “overthrowing” capitalism when in reality a couple reforms and more financial law enforcement and regulation is all we need.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You're not wrong that greed is a persistent part of human behavior, but where we differ is in the idea that we can just "channel" it and everything will work out. That just seems like accommodation. And when you build systems around accommodating greed, you end up with exactly what we have now where corporations are shaping public priorities to serve private profits.

The idea of letting government pick winners and losers sounds strategic until you realize it's usually the biggest donors and the industries with the most lobbying power influencing those picks. That's not the government being rational and wise, that's capitalism gaming democracy.

Also, the assumption that corporations are more "controllable" than government doesn't line up with reality. Corporations don't answer to the public, they answer to shareholders. At least with government, there's a theoretical mechanism for accountability through elections, public pressure campaigns, and oversight. With corporations, once they've captured policy-making power, the public is locked out.

I don't think leftist control would make greed disappear, but I do believe in designing a system that constrains and redirects it through real accountability, and not by feeding it and hoping it behaves.

again this isn’t always true. A lot of lobbying goes nowhere even if it’s heavily invested in.

Yall are just advocating for systems that are different because you can’t even figure out a way to move forward in the world we’re in.

How many times are yall gonna get mad about the game thats not being played versus the one that is?

 

[wire28]

I think Ezra’s strategy is aligned with human psychology, especially the psychology of decision makers at large corporations which is greedy psychopathy. I think that one thing we need to reckon with is that greed will always be with us, especially with high performers who excel in corporate America.

How do you channel greed in a positive way? By allowing the government to pick winners and losers, allow the winners be industries that align with your overall political goals.

Do you think greed will disappear from the human zeitgeist once leftist take full control of the government? That flaw in human psychology will always be with us, id rather it be contained in controllable corporations than trust that the government will always be benevolent especially in a democracy

Yes

Next question

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Interesting, do you think socialism aligns more with collective human psychology than capitalism?

Eventually psychopaths will bubble up to control the socialist government, do you think it’s sustainable?

I don’t think humanity is evolved enough to handle socialism right now even though I think it’s an eventuality once our collective consciousness becomes enlightened enough.

Let me ask you this also, wouldn’t higher corporate taxation be a good counter balance for the abundance strategy? You give corporations the power to do public works but you drain the power on the backend through taxation.

Not to get too woo woo but achievement is what satisfies the ego, the hoarding of money does nothing for it.

I believe our current behavior is shaped by the systems we live under, so I don't think any system would work *just* because it aligns with human psychology. Capitalism has normalized hoarding and scarcity thinking, so it's no surprise people behave accordingly. But if you build institutions around cooperation, transparency, and collective well-being, and make those materially viable, you'll see different behaviors emerge over time.

As far as socialism, no system is safe from bad actors, including capitalism. But the difference is in what kind of power bad actors are allowed to wield and how easy it is to hold them accountable. Capitalism tends to concentrate power in private hands where there's little transparency or democratic control. That's what we're seeing with these public-private partnerships that are technically public, but function like private fiefdoms.

On paper, yes, that could be part of the solution. But what we actually see is that the more power corporations are given, the more they spend on lobbying to avoid those taxes entirely. So while you could argue for using the backend to recoup social investment, in practice it rarely works that way without an organized public push, backed up by strong oversight and accountability measures, to enforce it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Loose]

Damn shame beto stuck in red ass Texas. Hes right that Biden failed future generations by selfishly running again, and he's right that the lack of fight is hurting the party. Hes right on Gaza too

 

[King Kreole]

Interesting, do you think socialism aligns more with collective human psychology than capitalism?

Eventually psychopaths will bubble up to control the socialist government, do you think it’s sustainable?

I don’t think humanity is evolved enough to handle socialism right now even though I think it’s an eventuality once our collective consciousness becomes enlightened enough.

Capitalism and socialism aren't opposite politico-economic models. Almost every OECD nation can be accurately described as having a mixed economy. America has many socialist institutions, and they're often the most popular ones in the entire society. Public schooling is a socialist concept, the fire department is socialist concept, social security is a socialist concept, medicare and medicaid are socialist concepts, public transportation is a socialist concept, unions are a socialist concept, etc. I think it's fair to say that humanity is evolved enough to handle these institutions and concepts.

The debate is over the ratio of state (aka public) vs corporate (aka private) control. Where America is unique is that there's an ingrained cultural aversion to the very idea of public power and society itself due to a long campaign from Republicans and Conservatives seeking to destroy society so that the interests of private capital can run amok. Most other OECD countries have taken a different path in the 20th century that culturally and materially solidified the gains of the public interest, and have private interests relatively kept in check, which is why this is the only country where socialist is a dirty word. The reason America doesn't provide as robust public benefits to its citizenry as most other OECD countries isn't because of a cap on human psychology, it's just a widespread, semi-successful misinformation con job.

 

[Outlaw]

Capitalism and socialism aren't opposite politico-economic models. Almost every OECD nation can be accurately described as having a mixed economy. America has many socialist institutions, and they're often the most popular ones in the entire society. Public schooling is a socialist concept, the fire department is socialist concept, social security is a socialist concept, medicare and medicaid are socialist concepts, public transportation is a socialist concept, unions are a socialist concept, etc. I think it's fair to say that humanity is evolved enough to handle these institutions and concepts.

The debate is over the ratio of state (aka public) vs corporate (aka private) control. Where America is unique is that there's an ingrained cultural aversion to the very idea of public power and society itself due to a long campaign from Republicans and Conservatives seeking to destroy society so that the interests of private capital can run amok. Most other OECD countries have taken a different path in the 20th century that culturally and materially solidified the gains of the public interest, and have private interests relatively kept in check, which is why this is the only country where socialist is a dirty word. The reason America doesn't provide as robust public benefits to its citizenry as most other OECD countries isn't because of a cap on human psychology, it's just a widespread, semi-successful misinformation con job.

What is your definition of socialism? And what ratio of public vs private control would be ideal in your world?

Also as far as public housing goes do you think states/the federal government would do a better job in mass building housing versus the builders industry having less restrictions/regulations?

 

[King Kreole]

What is your definition of socialism?

Socialism is a politico-economic philosophy with the goal of public benefit and ownership of the institutions that make up our society and economy.

And what ratio of public vs private control would be ideal in your world?

This would depend on the context of the specific institution we're talking about, but I'm directionally orientation toward private power being subordinated to public power.

Also as far as public housing goes do you think states/the federal government would do a better job in mass building housing versus the builders industry having less restrictions/regulations?

Yes, I absolutely believe and trust the public government to do a better job of mass building housing for all of society vs a deregulated private builder industry. I don't consider housing to be a luxury good where the free-market can be allowed free reign, I consider it a human right, which the government will always do a better job of enacting and safeguarding because rights are not conducive to the profit-motive that drives private interests. I feel the same way about the fire department and roads and the school system and healthcare and all other necessities that should be equally available to all people. The private market is simply inferior on these issues compared to the government. Luxury condos, sure let the private builders go nuts. But public/social housing? No.

 

[the next guy]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Outlaw]

Rationalism vs idealism