Democratic Party Rebuild

[Outlaw]

You asking why is it expensive to build public housing in fukking NYC which not only has lack of land and extremely high value property is stupid as it gets . None of the areas in Texas were " high demand " areas, they made them high demand areas by building homes incentives and cheap properties. Blue states could literally do the same with the vacancies and land mass they already have if corruption didnt exist, you're focused on supercities because it is a disingenuous and flat out stupid argument that doesn't help the problem with lack of homes.

Where did I say NYC? Besides even if we specify NYC it’s the governments job to overcome market pressures, so the price of real estate isn’t a valid of excuse when subsidies exist. I’m not focused on super cities, I’m focused on high demand suburban areas as well. There’s a lack of affordable built for first time home buyers for a reason. Ezra is providing solutions and all you’re doing is providing excuses to keep the status quo ironically

 

[Loose]

Where did I say NYC? Besides even if we specify NYC it’s the governments job to overcome market pressures, so the price of real estate isn’t a valid of excuse when subsidies exist. I’m not focused on super cities, I’m focused on high demand suburban areas as well. There’s a lack of affordable built for first time home buyers for a reason. Ezra is providing solutions and all you’re doing is providing excuses to keep the status quo ironically

Price of real estate is literally a valid excuse it's the excuse Ezra himself used when discussing Chicago building homes being expensive. The real question should be why are we trying to build in Chicago in the first place ? Chicago is full we should be building up additional cities that already exist to have vacancies. If an area is high demand and landlock we should not be building government housing in those areas. Ezra entire premise is focused on supercities/cali versus texas which is a erroneous way of looking fixing the housing crisis.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

What was mr Seders response??

We’re talking about high demand areas then you bring up areas that are low demand, two completely different economic circumstances.

You have no data to state that builders have a low profit margin, you’re just making shyt up, that’s why i didn’t acknowledge it

On average home builders have a 20% profit margin

All they do is focus on “power” and “money” when in reality you do not need open debate for everything or low-effort lawsuits stalling everything.

You can’t say democrats are failing and ignore that republican states are making even more green energy and housing than blue states. People dont care about excuses anymore.

You do not need all these hoops to build shyt then claiming you’re protecting air quality of housing near highways. OK…what about everything else?

 

[Outlaw]

Price of real estate is literally a valid excuse it's the excuse Ezra himself used when discussing Chicago building homes being expensive. The real question should be why are we trying to build in Chicago in the first place ? Chicago is full we should be building up additional cities that already exist to have vacancies. If an area is high demand and landlock we should not be building government housing in those areas. Ezra entire premise is focused on supercities/cali versus texas which is an erroneous way of looking fixing the housing crisis.

Because people want to live in Chicago? You think we should build up areas where people don’t want to live. Are you going to force people to move there?

 

[Loose]

Because people want to live in Chicago? You think we should build up areas where people don’t want to live. Are you going to force people to move there?

If people want to live in Chicago then they should be aware that cheap housing is borderline impossible. These shouldn't be the cities that our government resources should be wasting our tax dollars on when it would be significantly cheaper elsewhere. It's less efficient and more costly to build in Chicago then to build right outside of Chicago. Nothing to do with forcing people to live somewhere else, its the reality with landlocked real estate. The actual solution to this problem is a better public transportation infrastructure that includes high speed.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is the type of shyt I’m talking about

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I’m a Sam Seder fan but Ezra took him to task in this “debate”.

Simple questions, why wouldn’t the builders lobby want to build more housing in California and NY?

Why is it so expensive for the government to build housing?

The comment section can only lie but for so long Ezra is ON THE LEFT and he seems to be increasing frustrated by the gaslighting of leftists who are excusing failure on a fundamental level. Theres ALSO money in politics slowing shyt down under the guise of protectionist rackets not just burdensome obstacles of rent-seeking.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

When you say ny I assume you mean nyc because all of ny isnt expensive for government housing in fact that's sams point comparing two expensive land masses to a cheap undeveloped land mass in Texas is dumb. The cost of land alone in NYC is way too expensive for cheap government housing, unless the government is forcing investors to sell at a significant loss which would be unfair completely to investors which ezra agrees with. Government housing doesn't have to be concentrated in nyc, theirs an entire state of metros in ny that could use government housing that would benefit everyone in the state. It's much more expensive to build on developed land that are already owned by entities then to build in the middle of a desert or farm land like Florida/texas for example.

NYC itself has very restrictive zoning.

Not to mention, theres an entire industry of activists with various excuses for attacking developers for not curing cancer in addition to building apartments IN ADDITION TO stupid economic policies like rent control which always backfire and limit the ability to add new housing.

The Case Against Restrictive Land Use and Zoning

This policy brief broadly lays out the drawbacks of restrictive land use, then reviews the current state of New York’s zoning and explains the need for state intervention.

furmancenter.org

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So you’re saying the building industry isn’t building housing because they don’t want to?

Ezra has it right IMO. The problem isn’t corporations, the problem is that corporations use the government instead of the government using corporations as a tool.

The right industries should be subsidized so that human greed can be used to fulfill our goals not the inverse.

Sam doesn’t get that if you free up zoning you have more companies that can cater to different housing needs. Right now only big box single family home builders with stale designs monopolize the process because they build at scale and have the regulatory apparatus to deal with the obstacle course of requirements to build.

Much of what we want to be built is literally illegal in 2025 which was legal in 1925. We need to open things up. Period.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yes that is correct the building industry isnt building housing because

A. Profit margin wouldn't be desirable ( which is why corporation shouldn't be relied on)
B. They rather build in areas with cheap farm land or areas that have zero regulation that allows them to profit at exorbitant amounts

This is wrong.

They want to build more but can’t. I hope they make profits giving people more of what they want.

Ezra is wrong,regulations aren't the only problem when dealing with blue states, its disingenuous to compare anything to Chicago/nyc which already have significantly higher intrinsic values when it comes to property value.

This is a land value tax, which we also dont have. So you need to actually advocate for that

Let's get people outside of these supercities and build new super cities with cheaper land values ala austin 20 year ago.

It doesn’t matter if land is cheaper if how you use the land doesn’t change.

People dont need massive yards and parking everywhere. You need to LOOSEN REGULATIONS ON THAT.

People dont need multi lane roads through communities. YOU NEED TO LOOSEN REGULATIONS ON THAT

people dont need to be limited to buying only single story single family housing. YOU NEED TO LOOSEN REGULATIONS ON THAT

You have the entire state of ny Michigan other parts of Illinois etc that have the land mass or rundown properties that could be transformed into cheap housing. The focus on California which is expensive due to investors and nyc is disingenuous

The only thing that is legally possible to replace those run down houses are SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. You need to OPEN REGULATIONS UP TO ALLOW MULTI FAMILY HOMES.


I feel like you dont actually know that zoning makes more things illegal that you claim to want. You need to reduce a lot of zoning laws. I keep showing yall the maps that most of the places yall live make it illegal to build anything more than suburban style housing.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

High demand =/= profit margin. Glad you ignored the rest of my post. Good day sir

You realize Blackstone/BlackRock would lose money if we made it easier to build more housing?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

We’re talking about high demand areas then you bring up areas that are low demand, two completely different economic circumstances.

You have no data to state that builders have a low profit margin, you’re just making shyt up, that’s why i didn’t acknowledge it

On average home builders have a 20% profit margin

If we want builders to make less money then you need to…*gasp*…open up the market to allow more builders to build more competitive shyt and drive prices down for buyers.

What we have now is already a monopoly on housing. Even strip mall development is driven by a handful of developers who build cookie-cutter bullshyt because they’re the only ones allowed to thrive.

Funny how that works

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Where did I say NYC? Besides even if we specify NYC it’s the governments job to overcome market pressures, so the price of real estate isn’t a valid of excuse when subsidies exist. I’m not focused on super cities, I’m focused on high demand suburban areas as well. There’s a lack of affordable built for first time home buyers for a reason. Ezra is providing solutions and all you’re doing is providing excuses to keep the status quo ironically

Leftists have completely fukked democrats man. Even Rent Control is a TERRIBLE idea

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Price of real estate is literally a valid excuse it's the excuse Ezra himself used when discussing Chicago building homes being expensive. The real question should be why are we trying to build in Chicago in the first place ? Chicago is full we should be building up additional cities that already exist to have vacancies. If an area is high demand and landlock we should not be building government housing in those areas.

People should live where they want as cheaply as they want.

Zoning Restrictions and Demand Have Divided Chicago into Three “Cities,” Limiting Housing Availability

Ezra entire premise is focused on supercities/cali versus texas which is a erroneous way of looking fixing the housing crisis.

Are you retarded???? TEXAS AND FLORIDA ARE BUILDING MORE shyt THAN BLUE STATES!!!!

Liberals in these cities are slowing down up zoning by claiming “we need community input"

This is fukking bullshyt used to delay and obstruct this shyt under the guise of “caring for the community"

You nikkas are hopeless bruh