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1) I think you’re constructing a soft strawman here. I didn’t say anything about the diehard Dem voters, I’m more so referring to the normie non-engaged voter but susceptible to social media influence.

For example if some normie saw a mainstream news article saying the left finally has found their Joe Rogan! The article says it’s (Hasan Piker)

The normie goes on to internally think: interesting! I’ve never heard of him before! Let me see what his social media looks like!

The normie then goes on his twitter and see it littered with constant dem bashing. The normie will probably have a less favorable view of democrats after that.

You can say it’s probably justified and you could be correct but we don’t live in a just reality. You want the democrats to play by rules when the Republicans play by none. That is a recipe for Democrats to continue have a lower approval rating than the Republicans despite Republicans actively working to make everybody's life worse who isn’t an oligarch.
There is no large group of normie non-engaged voters who could be influenced by Hasan Piker saying Hillary Clinton is the bees knees. If that normie goes on Hasan's social media and sees a bunch of Hakeem Jeffries fan cams, they're gonna turn away. If Hasan turns into Stephen Colbert or Brian Tyler Cohen he will lose most of his audience.

The fundamental mistake you're making here is thinking everyone who isn't diehard Democrat is a rube who can be tricked into loving the Do-Nothing Democratic Party. This non-engaged demographic have ideological priors. They're not agnostic about the issues, they just don't see the Democratic Party as a legitimate force to enact them. They're not engaged because the mainstream political spectacle isn't speaking to them. The influencers who do speak to them would nuke their appeal if they started doing obvious Democrat propaganda without the Democrats giving them some ammunition by actually doing good shyt. We both have the same goal of seeing Republicans taken out, but instead of doing the actual work of addressing the criticism that the non-engaged are levelling at Democrats, you're trying to take a shortcut by assuming the people are stupid so they should just enthusiastic about scraps being thrown at them.

Y'all are literally doing this:
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The propaganda balance is completely out of wack. Supposed talking heads left of center can’t wait to shyt on democrats but those right of center never shyt on Republicans in the same way that would hurt the broader Republican brand to the layman or normie who stumbles on their social media. They stay on code and they message accordingly. That’s why they’re winning the info war.

Do you think it’s a coincidence that Theo Van and Piers Morgan start bashing Israel for committing a genocide shortly after Trump starts to distance himself?

It’s all planned and coordinated and leftist talking heads can’t wait to facilitate their sanewashing at the altar to appear professional, unbiased and not a shill. Until those left on center get on code collectively we‘ll continue to lose the propaganda war online and low info voters will continue to go to the right.
The propaganda balance is out of whack because the Republicans responded to their base and the Democrats did not. The MAGA influencers were not super supportive and enthusiastic about Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush. Look at how Steve Bannon or Charlie Kirk or Laura Loomer talk about those figures. They wanted to hang Mike Pence for Christ's sake. The right-wing MAGA influencers were as hostile and critical of the moderate Republicans as the left-wing Progressive influencers have been of the moderate Democrats. The difference is that the Republican Party actually responded to their energetic vanguard by turning over the party to them and making the moderates bend the knee. The Democrats Party has refused to do so, which is why the leadership is still moderate Do-Nothing Dems, which is why the progressive influencers aren't as deferential. If the Democratic Party does what the Republican Party did and hands over control to their energetic vanguard, you will see much more balance in the propaganda space.

2) I never said online talking heads left of center should suck establishment dems like Hilary off, I’m saying they should not actively look to pile onto Dem bashing in public squares because it does more harm than good. They should focus their negativity towards Republicans. The Republican brand should be far more toxic than the “do nothing dems” you’re adding to the problem.
If any progressive influencer refused to criticize shytty Democrats and only criticized shytty Republicans they would lose all credibility with their audience. We already have a group on influencers who do that, and they don't have any motion in the progressive space because people can see they're plants who aren't actually interested in the issues but are rather just knocking on your door to sell you a bible. Even the PSA Boys have had to start criticizing Biden and the Do Nothing Dems because the actions of the Biden Administration made it too difficult to draw convincing contrast. Again, the solution here is to make the contrast large by actually changing the behavior of the party first. You can't expect progressive influencers downstream of the Democratic Party to just do party bidding like they're automatons. Give them something to actually say that isn't just "the Republicans suck, go vote for the Democrats and ignore what they are (or aren't) doing". That's a weak ass message that only moves people who are already licking Democrat boots.
 

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There is no large group of normie non-engaged voters who could be influenced by Hasan Piker saying Hillary Clinton is the bees knees. If that normie goes on Hasan's social media and sees a bunch of Hakeem Jeffries fan cams, they're gonna turn away. If Hasan turns into Stephen Colbert or Brian Tyler Cohen he will lose most of his audience.

The fundamental mistake you're making here is thinking everyone who isn't diehard Democrat is a rube who can be tricked into loving the Do-Nothing Democratic Party. This non-engaged demographic have ideological priors. They're not agnostic about the issues, they just don't see the Democratic Party as a legitimate force to enact them. They're not engaged because the mainstream political spectacle isn't speaking to them. The influencers who do speak to them would nuke their appeal if they started doing obvious Democrat propaganda without the Democrats giving them some ammunition by actually doing good shyt. We both have the same goal of seeing Republicans taken out, but instead of doing the actual work of addressing the criticism that the non-engaged are levelling at Democrats, you're trying to take a shortcut by assuming the people are stupid so they should just enthusiastic about scraps being thrown at them.

Y'all are literally doing this:
CIr7TvC.jpg



The propaganda balance is out of whack because the Republicans responded to their base and the Democrats did not. The MAGA influencers were not super supportive and enthusiastic about Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush. Look at how Steve Bannon or Charlie Kirk or Laura Loomer talk about those figures. They wanted to hang Mike Pence for Christ's sake. The right-wing MAGA influencers were as hostile and critical of the moderate Republicans as the left-wing Progressive influencers have been of the moderate Democrats. The difference is that the Republican Party actually responded to their energetic vanguard by turning over the party to them and making the moderates bend the knee. The Democrats Party has refused to do so, which is why the leadership is still moderate Do-Nothing Dems, which is why the progressive influencers aren't as deferential. If the Democratic Party does what the Republican Party did and hands over control to their energetic vanguard, you will see much more balance in the propaganda space.


If any progressive influencer refused to criticize shytty Democrats and only criticized shytty Republicans they would lose all credibility with their audience. We already have a group on influencers who do that, and they don't have any motion in the progressive space because people can see they're plants who aren't actually interested in the issues but are rather just knocking on your door to sell you a bible. Even the PSA Boys have had to start criticizing Biden and the Do Nothing Dems because the actions of the Biden Administration made it too difficult to draw convincing contrast. Again, the solution here is to make the contrast large by actually changing the behavior of the party first. You can't expect progressive influencers downstream of the Democratic Party to just do party bidding like they're automatons. Give them something to actually say that isn't just "the Republicans suck, go vote for the Democrats and ignore what they are (or aren't) doing". That's a weak ass message that only moves people who are already licking Democrat boots.
He basically wants all democrats influencers to be brian Tyler Cohen and midas touch etc, just a bunch of propaganda machines that no one left of center will ever listen to seriously. I dont mind those outlets but they'll never legitimately criticize Democrats before it is advantageous to do so. They may critize after the fact.
 

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If any progressive influencer refused to criticize shytty Democrats and only criticized shytty Republicans they would lose all credibility with their audience. We already have a group on influencers who do that, and they don't have any motion in the progressive space because people can see they're plants who aren't actually interested in the issues but are rather just knocking on your door to sell you a bible. Even the PSA Boys have had to start criticizing Biden and the Do Nothing Dems because the actions of the Biden Administration made it too difficult to draw convincing contrast. Again, the solution here is to make the contrast large by actually changing the behavior of the party first. You can't expect progressive influencers downstream of the Democratic Party to just do party bidding like they're automatons. Give them something to actually say that isn't just "the Republicans suck, go vote for the Democrats and ignore what they are (or aren't) doing". That's a weak ass message that only moves people who are already licking Democrat boots.
This is a lie.

What do you think happens when leftists criticize democrats and ignore republicans?
 

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He basically wants all democrats influencers to be brian Tyler Cohen and midas touch etc, just a bunch of propaganda machines that no one left of center will ever listen to seriously. I dont mind those outlets but they'll never legitimately criticize Democrats before it is advantageous to do so. They may critize after the fact.
I don’t want dissent before elections.
 

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You can disagree with Tapper, but you need his vote. Mind you, Scott is an actual democratic donor.

Leftists have a big problem on their hands.



Tapper is republican tho. He just isn’t MAGA. fukk em :yeshrug:

Also notice how he never gave reasons why his son wouldn’t be racist (such as his upbringing :mjpls:)
 

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Tapper is republican tho. He just isn’t MAGA. fukk em :yeshrug:

Also notice how he never gave reasons why his son wouldn’t be racist (such as his upbringing :mjpls:)
I’ve never got the sense tapper was a republican. He seems like a very conservative democrat. He’s not Michael Smerconish
 

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A historically low approval rating from an ungrateful electorate. His VP should have won by default similar to bush Sr and Reagan
This is ignoring inflation that was hitting the pockets of voters tho. Whether a lot of people were poorly spending is unimportant. People were constantly talking about how expensive stuff was (even on the left). Kamala's biggest mistake was staying so attached to Biden. He was cancerous last two years of his term to the public
 

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There is no large group of normie non-engaged voters who could be influenced by Hasan Piker saying Hillary Clinton is the bees knees. If that normie goes on Hasan's social media and sees a bunch of Hakeem Jeffries fan cams, they're gonna turn away. If Hasan turns into Stephen Colbert or Brian Tyler Cohen he will lose most of his audience.

The fundamental mistake you're making here is thinking everyone who isn't diehard Democrat is a rube who can be tricked into loving the Do-Nothing Democratic Party. This non-engaged demographic have ideological priors. They're not agnostic about the issues, they just don't see the Democratic Party as a legitimate force to enact them. They're not engaged because the mainstream political spectacle isn't speaking to them. The influencers who do speak to them would nuke their appeal if they started doing obvious Democrat propaganda without the Democrats giving them some ammunition by actually doing good shyt. We both have the same goal of seeing Republicans taken out, but instead of doing the actual work of addressing the criticism that the non-engaged are levelling at Democrats, you're trying to take a shortcut by assuming the people are stupid so they should just enthusiastic about scraps being thrown at them.

Y'all are literally doing this:
CIr7TvC.jpg



The propaganda balance is out of whack because the Republicans responded to their base and the Democrats did not. The MAGA influencers were not super supportive and enthusiastic about Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush. Look at how Steve Bannon or Charlie Kirk or Laura Loomer talk about those figures. They wanted to hang Mike Pence for Christ's sake. The right-wing MAGA influencers were as hostile and critical of the moderate Republicans as the left-wing Progressive influencers have been of the moderate Democrats. The difference is that the Republican Party actually responded to their energetic vanguard by turning over the party to them and making the moderates bend the knee. The Democrats Party has refused to do so, which is why the leadership is still moderate Do-Nothing Dems, which is why the progressive influencers aren't as deferential. If the Democratic Party does what the Republican Party did and hands over control to their energetic vanguard, you will see much more balance in the propaganda space.


If any progressive influencer refused to criticize shytty Democrats and only criticized shytty Republicans they would lose all credibility with their audience. We already have a group on influencers who do that, and they don't have any motion in the progressive space because people can see they're plants who aren't actually interested in the issues but are rather just knocking on your door to sell you a bible. Even the PSA Boys have had to start criticizing Biden and the Do Nothing Dems because the actions of the Biden Administration made it too difficult to draw convincing contrast. Again, the solution here is to make the contrast large by actually changing the behavior of the party first. You can't expect progressive influencers downstream of the Democratic Party to just do party bidding like they're automatons. Give them something to actually say that isn't just "the Republicans suck, go vote for the Democrats and ignore what they are (or aren't) doing". That's a weak ass message that only moves people who are already licking Democrat boots.
You made some good points, some things that I’ll think about but fundamentally we disagree on some core issues:

You have more faith in the motivations of the “progressive” talking heads and influencers than I do.

At the end of the day I think most do them are grifters and they know it’s profitable to shyt on democrats because it’s low risk high reward.

It’s also possible to criticize democrats in good faith but also go hard at republicans to ensure their audience knows who the real enemy is. Kyle Kulinski, Vaush and Cenk before his pivot did a good job of this. I’m not saying to constantly suck off the Dems, I’m saying the talking heads should beat the Republican necks 50x more than they criticize the Dems while at the same time when they criticize the Dems they should reinforce that the Dems are the better of the two. There should be no ambiguity like when Hasan said “I don’t know if Kamala will be better on Gaza than Trump” or wouldn’t fully endorse his audience to vote for her.

You’re wrong about the Right wing talking heads. They’re all loyal to Trump now because he’s the leader of the party but prior to Trump they were loyal to whatever Republican was in power and would not criticize them openly. They changed with whoever was in power, Tucker Carlson is a perfect example. They stay on code and know who and who not to criticize.

For god sakes Joe Rogan has Peter Thiel, CIA agents and oligarchs who said the CFPB is bad because it goes after rich people and didn’t lose any credibility with his right wing audience, the right wing podcasters are blatant shills for whatever the right wing agenda at the time is and their audience eats it up
 

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Whatever he is we don’t need him or his future Andrew Tate subscribing back the blue sons vote.

The larger point of the problem with men is valid however.

I disagree. We can’t have this thing were 15 year olds are being mocked for considering careers in law enforcement. Even growing up “watching COPS on Saturday night” wasn’t frowned upon by democrats.
 

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I disagree. We can’t have this thing were 15 year olds are being mocked for considering careers in law enforcement. Even growing up “watching COPS on Saturday night” wasn’t frowned upon by democrats.
Growing up we didn’t have people deciding to join the ranks of the guys that just sat on somebody’s neck for nine minutes, or barge into someone’s crib and shoot them while they ate ice cream or etc etc

But yea it’s not fully the 15 year olds fault, it all comes back to how he was raised, which leads us back to Mr. Tapper and the environment he constructed that made this young man feel this way :mjpls:
 
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