Democratic Party Rebuild

[Ozymandeas]

No she didn't, she wouldnt even allow a Palestinian speaker at the dnc convention. Biden administration in general looked at them as an inconvenience that "better get aboard "

Negro, I just posted a news article and a YouTube video. She expressed support for Palestine. Argue with a wall.

You're upset because you were going to always be upset

If you can produce a SINGLE piece of evidence of Kamala Harris ever using the term "genocide" in reference to what the Israelis were doing to the Palestinians I will give you every single cent of my coli cash and dap+rep you for the next year. Because what you're claiming here is bullshyt.


We were upset because there was a genocide being aided and abetted by the Democratic Administration she was Vice-President of, and she refused to break with that policy. Denouncing the Israeli actions against the Palestinians as genocide would have made an absolutely MASSIVE wave and been a huge signal that she would be markedly better on this issue than Biden. Even to this day she still can't do it, so I don't know what you're talking about.



Again, this is just cope because y'all are mad she faced consequences for taking a bad and immoral position that you personally hold as well.


I don't know what your definition of support is, but banned anyone with Palestinian blood from stepping foot on stage at her Nomination Convention isn't what I call support. Refusing to have serious meetings with the primary protest group fighting against the genocide of Palestinians isn't what I call support. Refusing to even signal that she would stop sending weapons to the people perpetrating the genocide isn't what I call support.


Absolutely no one was blaming her for not unilaterally stopping the genocide as Vice-President, and in fact many of the protestors were optimistic about her candidacy when she first took over for Biden.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/12/nx-s1-5060109/israel-gaza-uncommitted-michigan-harris

The video and article you quoted was from before the above article was published. It was early in her campaign when she was smartly signalling she would take a different path than Biden, and she wasn't getting protested and her poll numbers were looking great. Then she started reversing course on meeting with the movement leaders and discussing an arms embargo, and then said she wouldn't do anything different than Biden, and then she started getting protested and her numbers starting tanking. She was given grace and completely squandered it by foolish decisions she made.


If what you're saying is true, then she was not fit to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world. Biden was no longer her boss, he was a lame duck senile dying President. If she didn't have the ovaries to tell him to fukk off for the good of the election and country, then she deserved to lose. She chose loyalty/fear of Biden over the country.

How you contradict yourself in less than 10 lines

Such an unserious person. I'd love to meet you physically. I can't imagine someone throwing their whole country away over a wedge issue like this. You can clearly see how terribly Trump is behaving, and what it means for our country long-term. We're on the cusp of civil war probably, and you still won't admit it was a dumb decision. I can't believe people like you are walking around out here.

Just answer this simple question: Was Kamala a better candidate, or was Trump a better candidate?

 

[Loose]

 

[Ozymandeas]

Republicans in the voting booth: "Is he a Republican?"

Progressives in the voting booth: *needs to be the Apotheosis of Democratic Purity*

 

[wire28]

Though some of our Allstars have passionately disagreed with his assessment many times here, Mr. Chambers makes it clear who the base of the party is. Let’s try to rally them. Let the rebuild continue.

 

[wire28]

Negro, I just posted a news article and a YouTube video. She expressed support for Palestine. Argue with a wall.

You're upset because you were going to always be upset



How you contradict yourself in less than 10 lines

Such an unserious person. I'd love to meet you physically. I can't imagine someone throwing their whole country away over a wedge issue like this. You can clearly see how terribly Trump is behaving, and what it means for our country long-term. We're on the cusp of civil war probably, and you still won't admit it was a dumb decision. I can't believe people like you are walking around out here.

Just answer this simple question: Was Kamala a better candidate, or was Trump a better candidate?

You’re in for a shock.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

I think for the people you're talking about, it was both. In fact, it was an unprecedentedly policy-driven emotional request. Enacting an arms embargo to stop a genocide is a remarkably clear policy demand, especially in the context of a vibes-driven campaign that was basically running on "...well I'm not Trump!".


I think the people you're talking about treated this election like there was a genocide actively being aided and abetted by the United States government (under a Democratic Administration), so the stakes were much higher than Obama vs Romney or Clinton vs Bush. I would argue it was the Harris campaign (and its diehard supporters) that were cavalier in dismissing the emotional stakes of this election because it didn't match their desired terrain of just abortion and January 6th. The inconvenient genocide.

To be clear, what Israel did and is doing are acts of genocide, human rights violations, civil rights violations, and war crimes.

But to know that the other candidate is Trump, what he tried to do his 1st term, and still let him (voting for Trump or refusing to vote for Harris) is still foolish. The electorate has to take responsibility for that. It is as much the fault of the Harris running a bad campaign, as it is the DNC giving us a bad candidate, as it is the electorate being emotional to the point of irrational with their vote.

More than enough blame to go around.

Being embarrassed and frustrated that you lost the election to a reheated geriatric is understandable, but responding to protestors like that was obviously wrong and unwarranted. It's wrong on a practical level of winning political office, and it's the completely wrong position for a public servant to take. As someone seeking higher office, you are subservient to the public, including protestors and the potential voters they represent.

Losing to him is embarrassing. Abandoning your supporters who stayed all night at a HBCU for you, just because it didn't go your way is also embarrassing. Ducking out of a gubernatorial race that would be competitive only to use that time to go on a book tour complaining is also embarrassing. Especially when the field is so rich with talent that you're not really competition, is embarrassing.

But the fact still remains, she has nothing to do with the current state of play in Gaza. That's all Trump. You can't blame her for Gaza-Israel policy because she has absolutely no say in what happens. And to be clear, Harris was the VP. She has no legal or executive impact on decision-making in the White House. The chief of staff has more power and say than the VP does. How much say a VP has is up to the President. In other words, blaming Harris for Gaza policy is admitting that you don't understand how the government works. So you're placing ire and blame at the wrong person.

I don't know if it's a result of him being raised in a prior political era where the art of politicking was more widely practiced, but it's fukking insane that even Joe Biden understands this at a deeper level than Kamala. His response to his protestors was much better than hers. If the issue the protestors are fighting for is coming from your side of the political spectrum and is legitimate (which it is here), then you smile and say "god bless you, we're working on it!". If the issue is coming from the opposite side of the political spectrum and is illegitimate (anti-abortion protestors for example) then you smile and say "we don't agree, but I'll fight for you nonetheless". Mamdani has been conducting a masterclass at this when people jeer him as an evil muslim communist or whatever. He never cracks. Kamala is apparently very thin-skinned. Would have made a bad President.

It's not insane at all. Biden has been in politics at a high level since the early 70s. Harris on the other hand has only been on this level for 8 years. She's a novice compared to him if you're just looking at years. I haven't seen his response to these protestors. Frankly, I haven't seen Biden at all since he left office. However, I agree that Mamdani has been putting on a masterclass in responses and a lot of politicians can learn from him. But it's also Kamala's job and responsibility to remind those protestors that they had the opportunity to vote for her and they didn't. Elections have consequences. And obviously those protestors are as slow to learn from their mistakes as Harris is.

 

[John Reena]

Our allegedly black friend of European origin using a monkey picture to belittle the intelligence of another on a black message board is definitely a choice.

I knew what time it was as soon as I saw that pic of that monkey. It’s a current meme racist kkkrackas post on Twitter. His response prolly gonna be “As a black man”

 

[wire28]

I knew what time it was as soon as I saw that pic of that monkey. It’s a current meme racist kkkrackas post on Twitter. His response prolly gonna be “As a black man”

I’m shocked

In any other reality the mods in here would give him a slap on the wrist at minimum. In our currently reality they let this “black” euro who is ashamed of where he is from run wild posting racist memes while trying to white wash his history of pseudo intellectual arguments as to why Trump is pro black.

 

[John Reena]

Edit:

Why are you defending Trump using the racist "Black on Black crime" trope?


This is a weird thread to make for a person who supposedly cares about Black people.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/come-in-this-thread-and-be-a-black-keyboard-militant.406473/#post-18075145

You sure do hate those "militant blacks." We're Black people, not "blacks." Your performative act is tired.

Says the guy parroting liberal white woman talking points.

 

[John Reena]

I’m shocked

In any other reality the mods in here would give him a slap on the wrist at minimum. In our currently reality they let this “black” euro who is ashamed of where he is from run wild posting racist memes while trying to white wash his history of pseudo intellectual arguments as to why Trump is pro black.

Ion know what the ppl in charge be doing on here. They suspended me for like 3 months for saying “We never getting reparations” but let stuff like posting monkey pics n Nap do whatever.

 

[Loose]

Edit:

Why are you defending Trump using the racist "Black on Black crime" trope?


This is a weird thread to make for a person who supposedly cares about Black people.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/come-in-this-thread-and-be-a-black-keyboard-militant.406473/#post-18075145

You sure do hate those "militant blacks." We're Black people, not "blacks." Your performative act is tired.

Him being a c00n and a fake militant isn't surprising

 

[Loose]

Endorsed a 78 year old who could die any year now party cooked

 

[KFBF]

The problem that the corporatist wing of the party is going to keep running up against is it seems they're expecting the puff piece interviews that republicans get when they go on fox news. In the mind of democratic voters that host these shows (not even the left ones like Breaking Points): 1. The party hasn't earned that level of deference 2. To pretend they have does so at the cost of their own credibility, which I would assume is more valuable to them than making Cory Booker look good. But not going on these shows isn't really an option either. Going to be tough for them. (Especially when they start getting pressed on why they're manufacturing another MZ in Maine.)

The path to success on these shows is you go on there and you tell the truth. You don't obfuscate, you speak clearly and plainly. That's a lot harder to do when you have a bunch of lobbyists and corporations holding your pulled out pocket.

Even the psycho-newsom couldn't pull it off when he was on with Latham and the bachelor bird. They ask him about AIPAC and his server crashes causing him to say "interesting" 60 times in 20 seconds (what's maybe actually interesting is he then went on to sign a bill stifling people's ability to criticize Israel and vetoed another that would have allowed schools to consider preferential selection for descendents of slavery).



Also I'm not sure I buy this field position argument made in service of incrementalism. We move the ball forward three, four, five yards on our side then have a turnover on downs then the other side scores on the punt return. While we're arguing for a holding or a illegal block in the back call. We're down multiple touchdowns at this point. Maybe we've got to do something different. Call different plays. Fire the coach and gm. Something.

 

[Loose]

As a fellow black man you know we caught up in a lie when we try to go fake militant to justify some bs

 

[folasade]

As a fellow black man you know we caught up in a lie when we try to go fake militant to justify some bs

Do the Democrats still not know at this point that these women are going to challenge them on being cowards and corporate shills? They might as well stick to CNN and MSNBC where they're disconnected from the real world. And these women aren't even progressives. It's embarrassing.