Democratic Party Rebuild

[Loose]

Do the Democrats still not know at this point that these women are going to challenge them on being cowards and corporate shills? They might as well stick to CNN and MSNBC where they're disconnected from the real world. And these women aren't even progressives. It's embarrassing.

The Democrats’ takeaway from the election was that they lost because of a podcast—not because they came across as overly means-tested, pompous, morally bankrupt dikk heads.

 

[KFBF]

As a fellow black man you know we caught up in a lie when we try to go fake militant to justify some bs

"It's not a purity test, we want credible messengers."

 

[wire28]

Also I'm not sure I buy this field position argument made in service of incrementalism. We move the ball forward three, four, five yards on our side then have a turnover on downs then the other side scores on the punt return. While we're arguing for a holding or a illegal block in the back call. We're down multiple touchdowns at this point. Maybe we've got to do something different. Call different plays. Fire the coach and gm. Something.

Thing is the coach has already been fired and every time the other team has the ball someone gets a black bag put over their head and sent to El Salvador. Or a black kid gets dragged naked into the streets of Chicago zip tied. Or some other civil right it took decades to get is tossed away in several weeks.

There are actual consequences to the other team having the ball and only highly privileged whites or insulated terminally online “black” people don’t care whether those people are hurt or not as they pontificate on how blowing the system up is the best way to achieve their preferred world order while ignoring the ruined lives of the disenfranchised they supposedly were fighting for on the way there.

 

[King Kreole]

How you contradict yourself in less than 10 lines

If you think those two sentences are contradictory you genuinely might not have the cognitive capacity to engage in this conversation.

Such an unserious person. I'd love to meet you physically.

I can't imagine someone throwing their whole country away over a wedge issue like this. You can clearly see how terribly Trump is behaving, and what it means for our country long-term. We're on the cusp of civil war probably, and you still won't admit it was a dumb decision. I can't believe people like you are walking around out here.

Genocide should not be a wedge issue for the Democrats, is the whole point. And the fact that you're coming down on the wrong side of the wedge is telling. The dumb decision was made by the Democratic Party leadership who decided to run that crummy campaign that lost to Trump. I can't believe there are people like you who refuse to hold our political leaders responsible for their bad, failing policies and actions. You have to ask yourself why you're willing to prostrate yourself before the feet of failing politicians instead of standing up for the public and morality.

Just answer this simple question: Was Kamala a better candidate, or was Trump a better candidate?

Kamala would have undoubtedly been a better President than Trump, but it depends on what you mean by a better candidate. The point of running is to win, and she lost, so it's difficulty to say she was the better candidate. I think it was a series of self-inflicted wounds that made her lose though, Trump didn't run a masterclass.

 

[King Kreole]

But the fact still remains, she has nothing to do with the current state of play in Gaza. That's all Trump. You can't blame her for Gaza-Israel policy because she has absolutely no say in what happens. And to be clear, Harris was the VP. She has no legal or executive impact on decision-making in the White House. The chief of staff has more power and say than the VP does. How much say a VP has is up to the President. In other words, blaming Harris for Gaza policy is admitting that you don't understand how the government works. So you're placing ire and blame at the wrong person.

Right, I don't believe anyone was assigned to her primary blame for the Biden Administration's Gaza policy. Which is why most of the anti-genocide protestors who were rightly blaming Biden were optimistic when Harris became the nominee. In August the vibes were pretty good! She (very lightly) signalled that a Harris Administration would be open to a different path than the Biden Administration, and she was given grace in return! And then she onboarded Establishment Democratic Strategists who told her to cut that out.

The blame and ire she received wasn't for the year-long policy of aiding and abetting a genocide that Joe Biden was chiefly responsible for, it was for her campaign rhetoric and actions around the issue, which she was chiefly responsible for. The critique was never that Kamala signed off on bombs, it's that she refused to say she would stop sending bombs if she became President, and said she would continue the existing policy of the Biden Administration.

It's not insane at all. Biden has been in politics at a high level since the early 70s. Harris on the other hand has only been on this level for 8 years. She's a novice compared to him if you're just looking at years. I haven't seen his response to these protestors. Frankly, I haven't seen Biden at all since he left office.

I'm talking about the protests he was receiving when he was the nominee.






Compare this to Kamala Harris' response to protests.




Not to mention the dogshyt response she gave to protestors at her book tour, a full year after the election with all the time and space to think deeply about what happened. Which can only lead me to the conclusion that you're right, she's a thin-skinned novice and it shows. But I also think there was a calculation made that factored in the uncritical stan culture of politics we're seeing from many in this very thread who have parasocial relationships with their fave politicians. There is a recent culture of lack of humility or servitude that has pervaded our political landscape and I guarantee people on Kamala's team were trying to channel. They were going to put "I'm speaking now!" on merch. They're leaning into the toxic, egotistical political elitist negging culture.

But it's also Kamala's job and responsibility to remind those protestors that they had the opportunity to vote for her and they didn't. Elections have consequences. And obviously those protestors are as slow to learn from their mistakes as Harris is.

I don't think there has been much evidence that Kamala Harris (who couldn't muster up a single mumbling word about the devastation the Palestinians were continuing to experience under Trump until he signed a fukking ceasefire) would have been markedly, meaningfully different on this issue than Trump, so the people who are protesting on behalf of this issue don't have as much to learn from her loss as she does in my opinion. It's hard to do an "I told you so!" when you never made the case, especially when a peace treaty was just signed. She doesn't care about this issue, she just doesn't want to be held to account.

 

[Loose]

im glad newsome had to take his mask off in that interview. What a disgusting person

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Says the guy parroting liberal white woman talking points.

You're literally defending Trump and using the same racist "Black crime" tropes to do it, while referring to Black people as "the blacks," just like Trump. Are you really this stupid? You give off the same stench as @the cac mamba.

 

[King Kreole]

I knew what time it was as soon as I saw that pic of that monkey. It’s a current meme racist kkkrackas post on Twitter. His response prolly gonna be “As a black man”

Officer John Reena of the Special Memes Division, being sworn in to combat the racist kkkrackas on the front lines of Twitter.

Godspeed.

 

[King Kreole]

I’m shocked

In any other reality the mods in here would give him a slap on the wrist at minimum. In our currently reality they let this “black” euro who is ashamed of where he is from run wild posting racist memes while trying to white wash his history of pseudo intellectual arguments as to why Trump is pro black.

"This shyt-for-brains line will definitely work this time!"

 

[RickyGQ]

Do the Democrats still not know at this point that these women are going to challenge them on being cowards and corporate shills? They might as well stick to CNN and MSNBC where they're disconnected from the real world. And these women aren't even progressives. It's embarrassing.

I’m suprised they haven’t done the classic “you don’t understand how these things work” yet.

 

[wire28]

Senator Gallego continues to position himself as a key figure in the democratic rebuild.

 

[KFBF]

Thing is the coach has already been fired and every time the other team has the ball someone gets a black bag put over their head and sent to El Salvador. Or a black kid gets dragged naked into the streets of Chicago zip tied. Or some other civil right it took decades to get is tossed away in several weeks.

But this is already happening with your (not you specifically, but I guess the position you're arguing from) players. The erosion of civil liberties and all that has happened while they've been in positions to combat it. The people on the field get the blame and the credit.

There are actual consequences to the other team having the ball and only highly privileged whites or insulated terminally online “black” people don’t care whether those people are hurt or not as they pontificate on how blowing the system up is the best way to achieve their preferred world order while ignoring the ruined lives of the disenfranchised they supposedly were fighting for on the way there

I personally don't think being controlled by corporate interests or beholden to AIPAC is blowing up the system. If it is, then we're cooked beyond belief.




If I were arguing in bad faith, I'd maybe say something about how more grief is given to black democrats (not sure why you're using quotes) who dared question whether Kamala or take issue with her political positions than black people who actually voted for Trump. Don't get how this is substantively different than the critique that's regularly raised on here when people criticize democrat politicians, "where's your smoke for Trump/republicans."

Edit:
I've repeatedly stated on here that I believe that path forward for Democrats is to be the party of honesty and moral clarity. Pro-choice, pro-civil rights, pro-civil liberties, pro-civil rights. I'm not interested in anyone that wants to Ezra Klein these issues and suggest theyre up for negotiation. We need to leave the political doublespeak and obfuscation displayed by Booker in the past.

 

[KFBF]

Senator Gallego continues to position himself as a key figure in the democratic rebuild.

 

[wire28]

But this is already happening with your (not you specifically, but I guess the position you're arguing from) players. The erosion of civil liberties and all that has happened while they've been in positions to combat it. The people on the field get the blame and the credit.

Are the voters players as well? In large part it’s the stupidity of the populace at large that has put us in this position. The change that is required doesn’t necessarily mean abdicating complete power in all branches of government to achieve that. We are witnessing daily what that means for people.

I personally don't think being controlled by corporate interests or beholden to AIPAC is blowing up the system. If it is, then we're cooked beyond belief.

Me either but I don’t think you were arguing that. If you were I’m on your side on that.

If I were arguing in bad faith, I'd maybe say something about how more grief is given to black democrats (not sure why you're using quotes) who dared question whether Kamala or take issue with her political positions than black people who actually voted for Trump. Don't get how this is substantively different than the critique that's regularly raised on here when people criticize democrat politicians, "where's your smoke for Trump/republicans."

I’m glad you’re not arguing in bad faith then

 

[KFBF]

Are the voters players as well? In large part it’s the stupidity of the populace at large that has put us in this position.

I'd liken them more to fans in this analogy. Some people are going to root for the Jets no matter what. Some are going to root for Giants. Some are going to stop watching football.

Me either but I don’t think you were arguing that. If you were I’m on your side on that.

I guess I'm unclear what/who you're characterizing as blowing up the system.

I’m glad you’re not arguing in bad faith then