Democratic Party Rebuild

[MAKAVELI25]

Biden also listened to the far left on a lot of issues and it burned him.

They don’t understand that they are never getting a candidate who gives them everything they want so they should take some victories like Biden gave them

Maybe the Dems should run a AOC or whoever and finally shut these people up because if she gets destroyed in a presidential election they’ll finally have to face the fact that there policies aren’t popular nationally

What issues burnt Biden that were advocated for by the far left?

 

[Frump]

What issues burnt Biden that were advocated for by the far left?

Economic populism. Open borders. $15 minimum wage, and cancelling $10k in student debt

Trump won on immigration resentment populism

 

[Outlaw]

Biden also listened to the far left on a lot of issues and it burned him.

They don’t understand that they are never getting a candidate who gives them everything they want so they should take some victories like Biden gave them

Maybe the Dems should run a AOC or whoever and finally shut these people up because if she gets destroyed in a presidential election they’ll finally have to face the fact that there policies aren’t popular nationally

They want vibes and not policy

 

[Outlaw]

Dog shyt


Garbage public options are terrible


This cant be done

that's fine

Means nothing this is just centrist babble


Newsome does not oppose ice, why are you making up scenarios that do not exist like an idiot


Hilary Clinton received funding from private prisons this was campaign babble forced by bernie


Foreign partnerships are done for the foreseeable future, the old us hegemony has to work in a different aspect. Going back to status quo won't work.



No people want beyond 2016, how many elections do we have to lose before you realize that voters do not want status quo?

Was mid then it's mid now, if we ran better candidates maybe we stop losing to republican fascist, but hey maybe we need them to go further before we learn our lesson.

You want vibes and not policy because Clinton’s 2016 platform is at razors edge of what dan be passed in this country.

Clinton’s 2016 policy may be too far left of where this country is at currently because of your people’s unwillingness to vote for “mid” when it counts

 

[mastermind]

Economic populism. Open borders. $15 minimum wage, and cancelling $10k in student debt

Trump won on immigration resentment populism

This is a truly stupid person

He is the brain dead GOP voter he claims to hate.

 

[Loose]

You want vibes and not policy because Clinton’s 2016 platform is at razors edge of what dan be passed in this country.

False i want policy which is why i voted for biden for example although he lied to his constituents at the end of the day

Clinton’s 2016 policy may be too far left of where this country is at currently because of your people’s unwillingness to vote for “mid” when it counts

The country is for whatever improves their material means

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Economic populism. Open borders. $15 minimum wage, and cancelling $10k in student debt

Trump won on immigration resentment populism

• Economic populism is not a uniquely "far left" sentiment, both Biden and Obama ran on economic populism. To some extent, Bill Clinton also ran on economic populism. In fact, Trump and various Republicans (Josh Hawley, and to some extent JD Vance/Marco Rubio) also run/ran on economic populism. A lot of right wing thought leaders (see Steve Bannon) are also economic populisms. Now, whether right wing populism in the US is genuine or just a ploy to win elections is another conversation entirely, but economic populism is not unique to the far left. Furthermore, the general public seems to be largely for economic populism, that is not where they disagree with Dems/progressives. Their disagreement is more on cultural aspects.
• Open borders are not a uniformly progressive position. In fact, many progressives are against mass immigration (see Bernie Sanders) because they say that it depresses domestic wages. Historically, Republicans were also pro-immigration as it aligns with the neo-liberal worldview (free market, free movement of labor, etc.)
• Biden's cancellation of the student debt was overturned by SCOTUS. Do you have any evidence showing that this action hurt him politically?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

False i want policy which is why i voted for biden for example although he lied to his constituents at the end of the day

The country is for whatever improves their material means

If the country is for whatever improves their material means, why do they keep voting in Republicans? What have Republicans done to improve their material means since the Nixon era?

Since the 1930's, Dems have provided:

Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Obamacare
Unemployment Insurance
Union Rights

Republicans have done everything they can do sabotage and destroy those programs. Why do Americans keep voting in Republicans?

 

[horizon]

So what is your theory of the case? Do you think that a JD Vance Administration would bring the country closer to progressive goals?

Of course not. Do you think running on the same platform that got you beat in 2024 is how you prevent a Vance administration?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Of course not. Do you think running on the same platform that got you beat in 2024 is how you prevent a Vance administration?

Who made this claim? I think the post you were quoting was addressing Hasan's seeming indifference towards another MAGA Presidency. Maybe I overlooked it, I didn't see anyone claim that Dems should run on the exact same platform as 2024.

 

[mastermind]

If the country is for whatever improves their material means, why do they keep voting in Republicans? What have Republicans done to improve their material means since the Nixon era?

Since the 1930's, Dems have provided:

Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Obamacare
Unemployment Insurance
Union Rights

Republicans have done everything they can do sabotage and destroy those programs. Why do Americans keep voting in Republicans?

Outside of Obamacare, most of those other policies were inacted nearly 100 years ago. And Obamacare came from the Heritage Foundation. The Dems gave up on social democracy in 70s and have lurched right on nearly everything since.

 

[Loose]

If the country is for whatever improves their material means, why do they keep voting in Republicans? What have Republicans done to improve their material

Because democrats haven't done that since at least the 1970s, in fact bill Clinton eliminated social programs and signed nafta which led to significant job losses in the rust belt. Voters now have no loyalty when it comes to political parties, I think you confuse my criticism as me believing in the alternative. The dem party has basically been on autopilot since Reagan

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Because democrats haven't done that since at least the 1970s, in fact bill Clinton eliminated social programs and signed nafta. Voters now have no loyalty when it comes to political parties

Outside of Obamacare, most of those other policies were inacted nearly 100 years ago. And Obamacare came from the Heritage Foundation. The Dems gave up on social democracy in 70s and have lurched right on nearly everything since.

Two things can be true at the same time, Democrats have taken a turn to the right since the 60's/70's and do not represent working class people as well as they used to. That's true. But it's also true that Republicans have been much, much worse. And they have been much much worse since at least the Reagan Administration (before a lot of us were even born). The majority of Republicans don't even propose or pretend to support any policies that would benefit working class people.

Neither of you two are idiots and I know that you can appreciate nuance, I'm not sure why some leftists seem to adopt the strategy of villifying establishment Dems and either infantilizing or indemnifying the voters from their own bad choices. It can both be true that Dems can be better but also that the electorate constantly votes against their own self interest.

The voters are either stupid and/or they don't believe the things that you claim they believe. It is not mutually exclusive to claim that Dems can be better, but also that the electorate needs to be better, both those propositions can be true at the same time.

 

[wire28]

It’s Thursday which means it’s a beautiful day for both sides brigade to continue to make a half assed case as to why over the past several decades there is no discernible difference between the two major parties. A statement you’d only genuinely find being argued on the darkest corners of the web.

After a certain point one has to wonder why people so allegedly invested in the well being of the must vulnerable amongst us continue to hit the jordan shrug at the prospect of MAGA ideology being cemented in the American power structure for the foreseeable future.

 

[Loose]

Two things can be true at the same time, Democrats have taken a turn to the right since the 60's/70's and do not represent working class people as well as they used to. That's true. But it's also true that Republicans have been much, much worse. And they have been much much worse since at least the Reagan Administration (before a lot of us were even born). The majority of Republicans don't even propose or pretend to support any policies that would benefit working class people.

Neither of you two are idiots and I know that you can appreciate nuance, I'm not sure why some leftists seem to adopt the strategy of villifying establishment Dems and either infantilizing or indemnifying the voters from their own bad choices. It can both be true that Dems can be better but also that the electorate constantly votes against their own self interest.

The voters are either stupid and/or they don't believe the things that you claim they believe. It is not mutually exclusive to claim that Dems can be better, but also that the electorate needs to be better, both those propositions can be true at the same time.

At what point do we stop doing the same thing every election. The DNC still hasn’t released a real autopsy of the 2024 election, because it would highlight how poorly centrist politics perform and why Democrats keep losing ground. It’s 2026, not even primary season yet, and centrists are already demanding total loyalty after openly running against a progressive just a few months ago.The establishment deserves criticism. I’m tired of losing elections to extremists. I’m tired of watching the country go deeper into debt to subsidize corporations and billionaires. How many times do we have to slam our heads against the wall hoping for different results.Newsom isn’t the answer. He’s aligned with wealthy donors, and he’s repeatedly backed down when it matters both with bills and on right wing podcast. He’s not going to prosecute anyone, he’s not going to take bold action, and he’s not going to do what’s necessary to get the country back on track.Voters aren’t stupid. They’re exhausted by the same policies that have chipped away at this country since the 1970s. That’s why the country keeps swinging back and forth. The right gets power and makes things worse. The left gets power and does nothing with it except repeat the same approach voters rejected four or eight years earlier. You want to know what's stupid? To keep doing the same loser neoliberal politics over and over for the last 50 years

Edit: this is who we supposed to get behind in 2026

Governor Newsom proclaims Ronald Reagan Day | Governor of California

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