Democratic Party Rebuild

[mastermind]

Two things can be true at the same time, Democrats have taken a turn to the right since the 60's/70's and do not represent working class people as well as they used to. That's true. But it's also true that Republicans have been much, much worse. And they have been much much worse since at least the Reagan Administration (before a lot of us were even born). The majority of Republicans don't even propose or pretend to support any policies that would benefit working class people.

Neither of you two are idiots and I know that you can appreciate nuance, I'm not sure why some leftists seem to adopt the strategy of villifying establishment Dems and either infantilizing or indemnifying the voters from their own bad choices. It can both be true that Dems can be better but also that the electorate constantly votes against their own self interest.

The voters are either stupid and/or they don't believe the things that you claim they believe. It is not mutually exclusive to claim that Dems can be better, but also that the electorate needs to be better, both those propositions can be true at the same time.

Voters can be stupid, but who else is going to elect them?

Voters also also naturally reactionary. Instead of staying steadfast in wanting to create a social democracy, the GOP have courted the evil that lives in all of us as their policies and the Dems have become Reagan/Bush republicans.

Neither have sought to materially improve our lives, but the GOP have appealled to our bare instincts in blaming the outside group.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

At what point do we stop doing the same thing every election. The DNC still hasn’t released a real autopsy of the 2024 election, because it would highlight how poorly centrist politics perform and why Democrats keep losing ground. It’s 2026, not even primary season yet, and centrists are already demanding total loyalty after openly running against a progressive just a few months ago.The establishment deserves criticism. I’m tired of losing elections to extremists. I’m tired of watching the country go deeper into debt to subsidize corporations and billionaires. How many times do we have to slam our heads against the wall hoping for different results.Newsom isn’t the answer. He’s aligned with wealthy donors, and he’s repeatedly backed down when it matters both with bills and on right wing podcast. He’s not going to prosecute anyone, he’s not going to take bold action, and he’s not going to do what’s necessary to get the country back on track.Voters aren’t stupid. They’re exhausted by the same policies that have chipped away at this country since the 1970s. That’s why the country keeps swinging back and forth. The right gets power and makes things worse. The left gets power and does nothing with it except repeat the same approach voters rejected four or eight years earlier. You want to know what's stupid? To keep doing the same loser neoliberal politics over and over for the last 50 years

Ok, this goes back to constantly infantilizing the voters. They have now had their Medicare and SNAP benefits cut in order to benefit the rich. Trump is also screwing with student loans to ensure that their children will stay in debt forever, advocating for even longer mortgage periods to ensure the same thing, and destabilizing the status of the dollar as the global currency which will hurt their capacity to borrow for and affect things like their car loans.

The establishment does deserve criticism, but nothing in your post provides a reasonable explanation for why they continue to vote in a party that has almost uniformly aimed, for forty years, to cut their benefits and healthcare to benefit the billionaires.

You want to keep excusing the electorate, that's fine. Let them keep voting in these leopards who have already told us that they want to eat our faces.

 

[Loose]

Ok, this goes back to constantly infantilizing the voters. They have now had their Medicare and SNAP benefits cut in order to benefit the rich. Trump is also screwing with student loans to ensure that their children will stay in debt forever

This is what the Republican base actually wants, so yes, they’re going to keep voting for it. I think the confusion comes from assuming swing voters have loyalty to either party. They don’t. They’ll vote for Democrats one cycle, and then switch right back when Democrats fail to deliver anything meaningful.

That’s the core problem. Republicans do what their base wants. Democrats….... what exactly do they do for their base?

advocating for even longer mortgage periods to ensure the same thing, and destabilizing the status of the dollar as the global currency which will hurt their capacity to borrow for and affect things like their car loans.

Once again this is what republican voters want

The establishment does deserve criticism, but nothing in your post provides a reasonable explanation for why they continue to vote in a party that has uniformly aimed, for forty year, to cut their benefits and healthcare to benefit the billionaires for forty year.

well they'll continue voting for a party that gives them what they want, 38% of the voting populations believe in republican polices

You want to keep excusing the electorate, that's fine. Let them keep voting in these leopards who have already told us that they want to eat our faces.

I’m not excusing the electorate. I’m saying one electorate consistently gets exactly what it wants, while the other is told over and over to make sacrifices “for the greater good.” One party operates with strong internal discipline and partisanship, and the other plays political checkers with rotating villains so they can pretend bipartisanship still exists in order to continue receiving donor money.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

This is what the Republican base actually wants, so yes, they’re going to keep voting for it. I think the confusion comes from assuming swing voters have loyalty to either party. They don’t. They’ll vote for Democrats one cycle, and then switch right back when Democrats fail to deliver anything meaningful.

That’s the core problem. Republicans do what their base wants. Democrats….... what exactly do they do for their base?




Once again this is what republican voters want


well they'll continue voting for a party that gives them what they want, 38% of the voting populations believe in republican polices

I’m not excusing the electorate. I’m saying one electorate consistently gets exactly what it wants, while the other is told over and over to make sacrifices “for the greater good.” One party operates with strong internal discipline and partisanship, and the other plays political checkers with rotating villains so they can pretend bipartisanship still exists in order to continue receiving donor money.

Majority of Republicans oppose cutting Medicare, Medicaid, and SNAP. If I'm remember correctly, majority of these recipients are in red states. The idea that they are simply representing what their constituents want is not borne out by facts.

New Poll: Voters Overwhelmingly Oppose Cutting Medicaid to Pay for Tax Cuts – An Unpopular Move with Swing Voters, Republican Base - Modern Medicaid Alliance

A Majority of Americans Oppose Cuts to Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security

ICYMI: Poll After Poll Shows Overwhelming Voter Opposition to Medicaid Cuts | FAH

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) Polling
https://democrats-agriculture.house.gov/uploadedfiles/250409_-_ag_dems_-_snap_facts.pdf
Americans Broadly Support SNAP and Oppose Significant Reductions

 

[Loose]

Majority of Republicans oppose cutting Medicare, Medicaid, and SNAP. If I'm remember correctly, majority of these recipients are in red states. The idea that they are simply representing what their constituents want is not borne out by facts.

New Poll: Voters Overwhelmingly Oppose Cutting Medicaid to Pay for Tax Cuts – An Unpopular Move with Swing Voters, Republican Base - Modern Medicaid Alliance

A Majority of Americans Oppose Cuts to Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security

ICYMI: Poll After Poll Shows Overwhelming Voter Opposition to Medicaid Cuts | FAH

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) Polling
https://democrats-agriculture.house.gov/uploadedfiles/250409_-_ag_dems_-_snap_facts.pdf
Americans Broadly Support SNAP and Oppose Significant Reductions

Republican voters overwhelmingly support Republican policies :

How Americans see the parties on key issues

The Republican Party holds advantages on crime and immigration policies, while the Democratic Party holds advantages on policies related to race, health care, abortion and the environment.

www.pewresearch.org

Republicans behind tarrifs:

Eastern NC Republican voters support Trump policies, new poll shows

RALEIGH, N.C. (WNCN) — As early, in-person voting begins Friday, Republican voters in eastern North Carolina have strong convictions about some of President Donald Trump’s policies. Tariffs & the econ...

www.yahoo.com

Strongly aligned with trumps solar:

Poll finds Republicans support utility-scale solar power, especially if it's American-made

According to a national poll conducted by Fabrizio, Lee & Associates, Republicans and voters who supported President Donald Trump approve of solar

www.solarpowerworldonline.com

Strongly support ice:

Poll: Americans support ICE overhaul amid federal funding fight

The question is how far to go, as a new NBC News Decision Desk Poll finds 43% want ICE reformed, 29% want it abolished, and 29% want it to continue in its current form.

www.nbcnews.com

meanwhile

Democrats want more progressive party

https://www.realclearpolling.com/stories/an:alysis/polls-find-democrats-want-a-more-progressive-party

2/3 of dem voters want affordable childcare universal healthcare and new party leadership :

Hungry for Progressive Economics, Nearly 2/3 of Democrats Want New Party Leadership: Poll | Common Dreams

Voters described universal healthcare, affordable childcare, and higher taxes on the rich as top priorities in a new Reuters/Ipsos poll. But they were less likely to believe that party leaders shared those priorities.

www.commondreams.org

80% of democrat voters say they're too timid and centrist:

Readers’ Poll: What Do You Think of the Democrats?

It’s your turn to weigh in. What is the party doing wrong—and right? Who are its brightest—and dullest—stars?

newrepublic.com

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[Pressure]

The governor of the most successful liberal place in the world and the Senator from that same place with a more liberal voting record than Bernie Sanders aren't enough to appease these people.

They don't want it. They like conservatives.

 

[Outlaw]

At what point do we stop doing the same thing every election. The DNC still hasn’t released a real autopsy of the 2024 election, because it would highlight how poorly centrist politics perform and why Democrats keep losing ground. It’s 2026, not even primary season yet, and centrists are already demanding total loyalty after openly running against a progressive just a few months ago.The establishment deserves criticism. I’m tired of losing elections to extremists. I’m tired of watching the country go deeper into debt to subsidize corporations and billionaires. How many times do we have to slam our heads against the wall hoping for different results.Newsom isn’t the answer. He’s aligned with wealthy donors, and he’s repeatedly backed down when it matters both with bills and on right wing podcast. He’s not going to prosecute anyone, he’s not going to take bold action, and he’s not going to do what’s necessary to get the country back on track.Voters aren’t stupid. They’re exhausted by the same policies that have chipped away at this country since the 1970s. That’s why the country keeps swinging back and forth. The right gets power and makes things worse. The left gets power and does nothing with it except repeat the same approach voters rejected four or eight years earlier. You want to know what's stupid? To keep doing the same loser neoliberal politics over and over for the last 50 years

Edit: this is who we supposed to get behind in 2026

Governor Newsom proclaims Ronald Reagan Day | Governor of California

www.gov.ca.gov

Please tell us who is telling you to get behind Newsom in the primary?

 

[wire28]

Please tell us who is telling you to get behind Newsom in the primary?

Nobody! But how else am I supposed to argue with you all for the next 8 hours

 

[Loose]

Please tell us who is telling you to get behind Newsom in the primary?

Newsom should be treated with the same level of intensity, honestly even more, than centrists used against Mamdani. And because he’s the frontrunner, voters should feel completely justified in openly expressing their displeasure and making it clear they won’t support him in the general. That’s how pressure works in a primary. Either he loses, or he shifts his ideology to match what voters actually want.

 

[Outlaw]

Newsom should be treated with the same level of intensity, honestly even more, than centrists used against Mamdani. And because he’s the frontrunner, voters should feel completely justified in openly expressing their displeasure and making it clear they won’t support him in the general. That’s how pressure works in a primary. Either he loses, or he shifts his ideology to match what voters actually want.

How is he the frontrunner when so many voters hate him in your eyes?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Newsom should be treated with the same level of intensity, honestly even more, than centrists used against Mamdani. And because he’s the frontrunner, voters should feel completely justified in openly expressing their displeasure and making it clear they won’t support him in the general. That’s how pressure works in a primary. Either he loses, or he shifts his ideology to match what voters actually want.

I don’t understand the focus on Newsom. I thought you and I agreed (when discussing Cac Mamba) that late 2025 or early 2026 is far too early to seriously predict who will win the primary. Historically, the early frontrunner at this stage is often not the eventual nominee. Given that, why are you so concerned about Newsom winning the 28 primary in February 2026?

 

[Loose]

I don’t understand the focus on Newsom. I thought you and I agreed (when discussing Cac Mamba) that late 2025 or early 2026 is far too early to seriously predict who will win the primary. Historically, the early frontrunner at this stage is often not the eventual nominee. Given that, why are you so concerned about Newsom winning the 28 primary in February 2026?

This should be a question for the people crying about leftist laying out reasons why they wouldn't vote for newsome in 2028, in 2026