Democratic Party Rebuild

[Dillah810]

 

[Dillah810]

 

[Outlaw]

Maybe because moderate Republicans actually vote

 

[Outlaw]

Yes a razor thin margin in the senate was indeed the problem. The fact that Republicans won’t flip on voting issues that would make them more popular with their constituents shows that Republicans are the biggest roadblock to change and these lefties conveniently ignore that

 

[Loose]

Yes a razor thin margin in the senate was indeed the problem. The fact that Republicans won’t flip on voting issues that would make them more popular with their constituents shows that Republicans are the biggest roadblock to change and these lefties conveniently ignore that

Democrats had a Trifecta in 2020 and two rotating villain democrats was the biggest roadblock to change, conveniently centrist ignore that.

 

[Outlaw]

Democrats had a Trifecta in 2020 and two rotating villain democrats was the biggest roadblock to change, conveniently centrist ignore that.

What percentage of Democrats voted for the change and what percentage of Republicans?

 

[Loose]

What percentage of Democrats voted for the change and what percentage of Republicans?

Not 100% of them I can tell you that, neither did our president use the bully pulpit to get his agenda thru.

Let's compromise - democrat way

 

[wire28]

Are proud socialist and Terrell the leftist intentionally or unintentionally advertising both sides nation?

 

[Outlaw]

Not 100% of them I can tell you that, neither did our president use the bully pulpit to get his agenda thru.

Let's compromise - democrat way

Biden got as much of his agenda passed as he could. He did more than what Bernie or whatever leftist you’d have in his stay could do, I can tell you that.

 

[mastermind]

But at some point some of you need to own that you are ok with the MAGA project taking over this country if you dont get your way.

I hate to tell you this, but so is the leadership of the Dems.

 

[mastermind]

In the moment, i kept saying Biden don’t really believe in his campaign agenda if he isn’t willing to use his position to force those two on his side.

He didn't and neither did most of the Dem leadership. Manchin was cool playing the villain role and Sinema was already cashing out.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

I hate to tell you this, but so is the leadership of the Dems.

In theory, Democratic leadership—being largely moderate—would be ideologically closer to MAGA Republicans than self-identified leftists are. So if what you're suggesting is true, as troubling as it would be, it wouldn’t necessarily be surprising.

However, you all describe yourselves as leftists. A MAGA-driven project should be fundamentally opposed to your stated ideology. It should be politically and morally unacceptable to you, given that it represents the opposite end of the spectrum.

So if some leftists appear indifferent to MAGA gaining power simply because they did not get their preferred outcome, that raises a serious question: are they genuinely committed to leftist principles, or are they embracing a form of accelerationism instead?

 

[mastermind]

A MAGA-driven project should be fundamentally opposed to your stated ideology

I don’t want a MAGA-driven project

The fundamental flaw with our voting choices is if you don’t vote for one major party, that means you are voting for the other. That doesn’t make sense if I am not voting for either and physically cast a vote for an alternative option that’s closer to my views. But we get bullied into believing there is only two choices when there isn’t.

And tbh, I could make the argument that voting for the status quo Dem candidate means you want a MAGA-driven project since you know all voting that Dem candidate in is a band aid over a gun shot wound that will get bigger when the next fascist enters office since that status quo type will show to be ineffective as history has shown us and their own policies tell us. But you wouldn’t see yourself supporting MAGA by voting in another person that’s controlled opposition.

 

[Pure Water]

In theory, Democratic leadership—being largely moderate—would be ideologically closer to MAGA Republicans than self-identified leftists are. So if what you're suggesting is true, as troubling as it would be, it wouldn’t necessarily be surprising.

However, you all describe yourselves as leftists. A MAGA-driven project should be fundamentally opposed to your stated ideology. It should be politically and morally unacceptable to you, given that it represents the opposite end of the spectrum.

So if some leftists appear indifferent to MAGA gaining power simply because they did not get their preferred outcome, that raises a serious question: are they genuinely committed to leftist principles, or are they embracing a form of accelerationism instead?

They embrace accelerationism. They think that eventually the American public will revolt against the government and will eventually topple that government and out of the ashes will rise a progressive government that they can be proud of.

What they don't realize is for something like that to happen would cause mass deaths on the scale of something they've never seen in their privileged little lives. And out of that chaos will likely rise a fascist dictator. They're idealist who don't live in the real world. I've abandoned them politically.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

I don’t want a MAGA-driven project

The fundamental flaw with our voting choices is if you don’t vote for one major party, that means you are voting for the other. That doesn’t make sense if I am not voting for either and physically cast a vote for an alternative option that’s closer to my views. But we get bullied into believing there is only two choices when there isn’t.

And tbh, I could make the argument that voting for the status quo Dem candidate means you want a MAGA-driven project since you know all voting that Dem candidate in is a band aid over a gun shot wound that will get bigger when the next fascist enters office since that status quo type will show to be ineffective as history has shown us and their own policies tell us. But you wouldn’t see yourself supporting MAGA by voting in another person that’s controlled opposition.

Sure, you could make that argument.

But I’m not being condescending when I say I think you’re smart enough to recognize how weak it is to claim that not voting—or voting third party—when MAGA is on the ballot is less enabling of MAGA than voting for the candidate or party with the strongest chance of defeating them.

There would be a lot of juelzing (and for any intelligent person, a degree of shamelessness) to make that argument with a straight face.