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They really are doing this.
Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) = CEO of the Government.
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These idiots just got hacked too 
Just because you code doesn’t mean you can hack or defend anything. I expect there to be a lot more cyber threats and attacks for Musk and Co. world wide.
With the amount of money he possesses, I would expect him to not have any trouble with this issue…………
Just because you code doesn’t mean you can hack or defend anything. I expect there to be a lot more cyber threats and attacks for Musk and Co. world wide.
With the amount of money he possesses, I would expect him to not have any trouble with this issue…………
1/1
@DemocraticWins
BREAKING: NY Attorneys General Leticia James just announced she is suing Elon Musk and DOGE for accessing the American people’s private data. This is huge.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1890529994482343937/pu/vid/avc1/1296x720/3cAYYDkXgtzQhxnw.mp4
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@DemocraticWins
BREAKING: NY Attorneys General Leticia James just announced she is suing Elon Musk and DOGE for accessing the American people’s private data. This is huge.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1890529994482343937/pu/vid/avc1/1296x720/3cAYYDkXgtzQhxnw.mp4
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US goverment seeks to rehire recently fired nuclear workers
It is having problems contacting people who were fired in Trump's blitz to shrink the federal workforce.
www.bbc.co.uk
US government struggles to rehire nuclear safety staff it laid off days ago
8 hours ago
Brandon Drenon
BBC News
Getty Images
The National Nuclear Security Administration is part of the Department of Energy
The US government is trying to bring back nuclear safety employees it fired on Thursday, but is struggling to let them know they should return to work, NBC News has reported.
The National Nuclear Security Administration workers were among hundreds of employees in the energy department who received termination letters.
An email obtained by NBC said the letters for some NNSA employees "are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel".
The terminations are part of massive effort by President Donald Trump to slash the ranks of the federal workforce, a project he began on his first day in office, less than a month ago.
Last week, nearly 10,000 federal workers were let go, according to multiple US outlets.
That figure was in addition to the estimated 75,000 workers who have accepted an offer from the White House to leave voluntarily in the autumn.
The nuclear security officials who were laid off on Thursday helped oversee the nation's stockpile of nuclear weapons. That included staff who are stationed at facilities where the weapons are built, according to CNN.
Attempting to reach the workers, the email, which was sent to current employees, said: "Please work with your supervisors to send this information (once you get it) to people's personal contact emails."
Trump is working to slash spending across the board, abroad and at home, and going so far as to call for eliminating the education department. He is getting help from the world's richest man, Elon Musk, who, through an effort called Doge for Department of Government Efficiency, has sent workers to comb through data at federal agencies and helped implement the "buyout" offer.
Last week, the Trump administration ordered agencies to fire nearly all probationary employees, those who had generally been in their positions for less than a year and not yet earned job protection. That included the NNSA staff members.
Altogether, the move could potentially affect hundreds of thousands of people.
Several of the Trump administration's efforts to shrink the government's size and spending have been met with legal challenges.
More than 60 lawsuits have been filed against the Trump administration since the president was inaugurated on 20 January.
i pasted in the wikipedia article for DOGE into my chatgpt and it told me this
> This entire thing is fake. There's no "Department of Government Efficiency," no Musk-led government takeover, and no DOGE service. It looks like someone either made an extremely elaborate hoax or you’re looking at an AI-generated or fake Wikipedia page.
None of this aligns with actual U.S. government structure. The President can't just create a department like this, Musk doesn't have the authority to control federal agencies, and Congress holds the power of the purse. If anything remotely close to this were real, it would be the biggest constitutional crisis in U.S. history, and you’d be seeing nonstop coverage across every major news outlet.
If you found this on Wikipedia, it was either a temporary vandalized page or a well-crafted fake site. Always cross-check with reliable sources like government websites, major news organizations, or official records before assuming something like this is real.
> This entire thing is fake. There's no "Department of Government Efficiency," no Musk-led government takeover, and no DOGE service. It looks like someone either made an extremely elaborate hoax or you’re looking at an AI-generated or fake Wikipedia page.
None of this aligns with actual U.S. government structure. The President can't just create a department like this, Musk doesn't have the authority to control federal agencies, and Congress holds the power of the purse. If anything remotely close to this were real, it would be the biggest constitutional crisis in U.S. history, and you’d be seeing nonstop coverage across every major news outlet.
If you found this on Wikipedia, it was either a temporary vandalized page or a well-crafted fake site. Always cross-check with reliable sources like government websites, major news organizations, or official records before assuming something like this is real.
1/30
@AlexNowrasteh
I’ve written about the large number of SSNs for people >100 that are still active. They’re illegal immigrants paying in, not fraudulent recipients taking out.
[Quoted tweet]
According to the Social Security database, these are the numbers of people in each age bucket with the death field set to FALSE!
Maybe Twilight is real and there are a lot of vampires collecting Social Security
2/30
@AlexNowrasteh
By all means, clean up SSA and mark those people as deceased. But the cost of doing so is less revenue going into Social Security. Maybe that's fine, SS should be shut down anyway, but that is a downside.
3/30
@AlexNowrasteh
From the SSA OIG report on this.
https://oig-files.ssa.gov/audits/full/A-06-14-34030_0.pdf
4/30
@AlexNowrasteh
And I've written a bit about it here:
https://www.cato.org/policy-analysi...onsequences-national-worker-screening-mandate
5/30
@AlexNowrasteh
Only 13 beneficiaries 112 years and older.
6/30
@hazelmotes52
Everything moves at warp speed these days... already to the sure it's happening but actually that's good stage.
7/30
@AlexNowrasteh
You're applying the wrong model here.
8/30
@TmckBuff27
The companies feeding SS from the illegal workers should be fined and jailed.
We will see what's fact as it is dug deeper.
9/30
@AlexNowrasteh
The companies employing illegal immigrants who are paying into SS for benefits they'll never receive and subsidizing older Americans . . . should be fined and jailed? Why?
10/30
@IdeasFactory009
It means there are at least 17 million illegals in USA. Add their dependents, the real number is closer to 30 million.
11/30
@AlexNowrasteh
Think for a second. There are >100 yo SSNs that are marked as alive, a subset of those contribute tax revenue.
12/30
@GoodJoshin
So you are saying you are cool with identity theft? And how about what else you can do with a social. And could they not draw from SS?
13/30
@AlexNowrasteh
Employment related identity theft, which is where people use other people’s identities to work, is a problem created by nativists. You should need a government identity to get a job.
14/30
@DeLoachJW
I mean obviously you are trying to support the broken/corrupt system and take a little swipe at @elonmusk @DOGE but by not thinking through your response you basically said “your honor, I thought she was 15 not 12…“
Your defense is supporting the prosecution.
15/30
@AlexNowrasteh
I don't support the current system, I favor abolishing Social Security or reforming it to substantially shrink the system. My position on it is more radical than Trump's. I'm merely explaining what's going on with these numbers and other factors that can help illuminate.
16/30
@Rebma_Camper
What I find most egregious is Musk and his Musketeers are completely uninterested in asking questions to understand what they are seeing.
The Musk Audit Method: (1) I have no idea what this means (2) LET’S PUBLICLY JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS
17/30
@desertveteran
60 million of them would be a scandal too.
18/30
@KaMiller1
So you're saying that when a field labeled "Death" says, "False," this is the SSA's notation for illegal immigrants??
19/30
@markregets
Both GAO and the SSA IG have written about this issue. WaPo wrote about it in 2015.
These are counts from the SSA Numident file, not for the most part SSNs active in any way.
Those that are active are mostly unauthorized workers PAYING into the Trustfund.
20/30
@lindajacob48
Quite frankly, I trust Elon Musk and his data than you!
21/30
@MattNellans
Why are they working if they are illegal? They should be expelled from the country, right now.
22/30
@ThinkBavarian
So fraudulent payers?
23/30
@leankitjon
Great. We can close the loophole, cleanup the data, and use it as a tool for removing illegal indentured labor in the process
24/30
@Humbum337
Huge difference.
25/30
@llunved
That is more likely than Cobol.
26/30
@dahaj1897
Just the sum of counts for under 100 here is ~377M. That's still ~40M more than the US population.
27/30
@Scienkoptic
I’ve been saying this for years
[Quoted tweet]
I hired a Honduran in 2005. He provided me with a Photocopy of a Social Security card that had been copied so many times it looked like a mimeograph. After doing my due diligence, I cut him a check and told him not to come back without the original. I never saw him again.
It was at that moment I knew that 1000s of people were paying to a SSN that no one was claiming. The government had no incentive to fix this. Employing illegal aliens is exploitation.
28/30
@m0neyisfake
If that’s true can we trust any of the official numbers?
29/30
@RickSchoen35735
Hey Jessica, why do you hate America so much!
30/30
@spongeworthy2
Committing those crimes illegal immigrants rarely commit.
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@AlexNowrasteh
I’ve written about the large number of SSNs for people >100 that are still active. They’re illegal immigrants paying in, not fraudulent recipients taking out.
[Quoted tweet]
According to the Social Security database, these are the numbers of people in each age bucket with the death field set to FALSE!
Maybe Twilight is real and there are a lot of vampires collecting Social Security
2/30
@AlexNowrasteh
By all means, clean up SSA and mark those people as deceased. But the cost of doing so is less revenue going into Social Security. Maybe that's fine, SS should be shut down anyway, but that is a downside.
3/30
@AlexNowrasteh
From the SSA OIG report on this.
https://oig-files.ssa.gov/audits/full/A-06-14-34030_0.pdf
4/30
@AlexNowrasteh
And I've written a bit about it here:
https://www.cato.org/policy-analysi...onsequences-national-worker-screening-mandate
5/30
@AlexNowrasteh
Only 13 beneficiaries 112 years and older.
6/30
@hazelmotes52
Everything moves at warp speed these days... already to the sure it's happening but actually that's good stage.
7/30
@AlexNowrasteh
You're applying the wrong model here.
8/30
@TmckBuff27
The companies feeding SS from the illegal workers should be fined and jailed.
We will see what's fact as it is dug deeper.
9/30
@AlexNowrasteh
The companies employing illegal immigrants who are paying into SS for benefits they'll never receive and subsidizing older Americans . . . should be fined and jailed? Why?
10/30
@IdeasFactory009
It means there are at least 17 million illegals in USA. Add their dependents, the real number is closer to 30 million.
11/30
@AlexNowrasteh
Think for a second. There are >100 yo SSNs that are marked as alive, a subset of those contribute tax revenue.
12/30
@GoodJoshin
So you are saying you are cool with identity theft? And how about what else you can do with a social. And could they not draw from SS?
13/30
@AlexNowrasteh
Employment related identity theft, which is where people use other people’s identities to work, is a problem created by nativists. You should need a government identity to get a job.
14/30
@DeLoachJW
I mean obviously you are trying to support the broken/corrupt system and take a little swipe at @elonmusk @DOGE but by not thinking through your response you basically said “your honor, I thought she was 15 not 12…“
Your defense is supporting the prosecution.
15/30
@AlexNowrasteh
I don't support the current system, I favor abolishing Social Security or reforming it to substantially shrink the system. My position on it is more radical than Trump's. I'm merely explaining what's going on with these numbers and other factors that can help illuminate.
16/30
@Rebma_Camper
What I find most egregious is Musk and his Musketeers are completely uninterested in asking questions to understand what they are seeing.
The Musk Audit Method: (1) I have no idea what this means (2) LET’S PUBLICLY JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS
17/30
@desertveteran
60 million of them would be a scandal too.
18/30
@KaMiller1
So you're saying that when a field labeled "Death" says, "False," this is the SSA's notation for illegal immigrants??
19/30
@markregets
Both GAO and the SSA IG have written about this issue. WaPo wrote about it in 2015.
These are counts from the SSA Numident file, not for the most part SSNs active in any way.
Those that are active are mostly unauthorized workers PAYING into the Trustfund.
20/30
@lindajacob48
Quite frankly, I trust Elon Musk and his data than you!
21/30
@MattNellans
Why are they working if they are illegal? They should be expelled from the country, right now.
22/30
@ThinkBavarian
So fraudulent payers?
23/30
@leankitjon
Great. We can close the loophole, cleanup the data, and use it as a tool for removing illegal indentured labor in the process
24/30
@Humbum337
Huge difference.
25/30
@llunved
That is more likely than Cobol.
26/30
@dahaj1897
Just the sum of counts for under 100 here is ~377M. That's still ~40M more than the US population.
27/30
@Scienkoptic
I’ve been saying this for years
[Quoted tweet]
I hired a Honduran in 2005. He provided me with a Photocopy of a Social Security card that had been copied so many times it looked like a mimeograph. After doing my due diligence, I cut him a check and told him not to come back without the original. I never saw him again.
It was at that moment I knew that 1000s of people were paying to a SSN that no one was claiming. The government had no incentive to fix this. Employing illegal aliens is exploitation.
28/30
@m0neyisfake
If that’s true can we trust any of the official numbers?
29/30
@RickSchoen35735
Hey Jessica, why do you hate America so much!
30/30
@spongeworthy2
Committing those crimes illegal immigrants rarely commit.
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1/41
@electricfutures
After several delays, @DOGE has finally posted its purported savings. Why did it take so long to create a simple webpage with a 1000-row table? Who knows! Let's dig in.
Headline number: $55B saved. They list the savings per nixed contract. This should be easy to verify then.
[Quoted tweet]
It's Monday. @DOGE is the laziest, most overpaid bunch of incompetent, unelected bureaucrats we've ever seen.
2/41
@electricfutures
The first thing I did is add up the "saved" column for all canceled contracts and real estate. The numbers are $16.5B and $0.14B, respectively. Odd...
Since almost all of the purported savings come from contracts, we'll focus on that.
2/
3/41
@electricfutures
The single biggest ticket item is a DHS contract listed as saving $8 billion. Wow, that's a huge contract!
Actually no, it's $8 million. They must have tried to automate scraping the FPDS form and failed.
That means we're down to $8.5B in savings.
3/
4/41
@electricfutures
The next 3 biggest ticket items are all USAID contracts listed as $655M each, so $2B total. Wow, pretty big.
Wait, these are IDVs, not contracts. $655M is the entire set-aside, being triple counted. In the first 5 years, only $73M was awarded, and only 2 years remain.
4/
5/41
@electricfutures
So we're down to $6.5B in savings, and an alarming trend emerges: @DOGE does not seem to understand how the government contracts they are canceling work. The savings they are claiming are not annual savings, but rather hypothetical savings if we spent every unobligated penny.
5/
6/41
@electricfutures
And more importantly, they are just getting it *wrong*, with alarming consistency. These numbers are erroneous. This "select group of geniuses" has not double checked even the LARGEST items accounting for the bulk of their claimed savings. This is a sad, pathetic farce
@elonmusk
7/41
@electricfutures
Here's the next biggest item: an IT services contract for the Social Security Administration worth $1B. That's a lot of savings!
Well, again, this contract spanned 6 years. 80% has already been spent. Ah well, more like $240M in savings spread over the next 3 years. $80M/year.
8/41
@electricfutures
In 2023, this contract funded 1000 FTEs working $100/hr. Did we need 1000 SWEs working on SSA infrastructure? Probably not - these could be valid savings (disclaimer: no idea what they actually did). But worth noting that these cuts will impact many private sector jobs as well.
9/41
@electricfutures
And if anyone is curious, there are currently 17 lines that say "SEE FPDS" rather than the savings amount, I guess because their automated scraping failed. I did it manually and it took roughly ~10 minutes. But that's too much to ask of super geniuses working 120 hours/week!
10/41
@DearLeftyFriend
Missing context:
11/41
@electricfutures
Congratulations, you scrolled infinitely far back in my replies and found an instance of me using logic to help someone understand the difference between communism and Democratic socialism
12/41
@tarakeshwar
You paid X to boost this tweet right
13/41
@electricfutures
Nope. @fukkyouiquit retweeted it and it went viral. I will never pay this site a fukking penny.
14/41
@pamdebear632
If you are so good at this, why did YOU not look into trying to root out waste in the govt? Is DOGE to be condemned bc during their attempt to find waste, they discovered fraud? We gotta start somewhere clawing back.
15/41
@electricfutures
If they paid me $14M they paid DOGE I guarantee you I would do an infinitely better job.
16/41
@LanceBybee
The gov can’t just cancel a contract without being liable for costs and expenses incurred prior to the cancellation. Most cancellations end up having costs and money spent on the contract, but if it was cancelled, then the government gets nothing return for that expenditure
17/41
@electricfutures
Yep, here is an example of that: https://nitter.poast.org/electricfutures/status/1891904556767781163
They are not accounting for these honestly at all. It's pretty clear their instructions were something like "pick the biggest number no matter what"
[Quoted tweet]
Here's the next biggest item: an IT services contract for the Social Security Administration worth $1B. That's a lot of savings!
Well, again, this contract spanned 6 years. 80% has already been spent. Ah well, more like $240M in savings spread over the next 3 years. $80M/year.
18/41
@RandTaylor2
Does Elon get a “finders fee”?
19/41
@electricfutures
He doesn't need to be paid because he gets to leverage the position to spread propaganda about & kneecap the agencies regulating his businesses. He's shown repeatedly he has no regard for the truth.
20/41
@SJonNantucket
I doubt your math is correct but also wondering what kind of person is rooting for waste and fraud
21/41
@electricfutures
I'm rooting for the truth.
There isn't much math here. These are very basic accounting errors (or intentional distortions to make the number seem bigger than it really is). I've yet to see any evidence of fraud.
22/41
@GamemasterYado
Elon consistently puts the L in Elon
23/41
@Nljigakulive
If DOGE really wanted to stop wasteful spending they’d go after the DOD/pentagon who have failed their last 7 audits.
24/41
@AstorAaron
This is good stuff. I think we should just call their work "DOGEshytE".
25/41
@barbarikon
They can do this because their target audience can’t read, nor understand numbers.
26/41
@JWSPEED2
Dismantle the whole Federal government and then @DOGE . That'll help.
27/41
@Shaelaran
“Please leave our unelected bureaucrats’ power to spend our taxpayer money alone.” That’s a no homie. I don’t care what breaks. We will see what happens in a year or two
28/41
@Marcusgibson
Why is Elon low-key reposting that bogus DOGE clock based on target not actual ~$55bn?
29/41
@BeasterXP
They have saved 2.75% of their goal in 1 month. This puts them on pace to save 2 Trillion in 36 months. The problem? They are hitting the easiest areas first. It’s going to get harder and harder to find savings. They should be over 30% of their goal to keep a realistic
30/41
@iiliyaa
We all know now why no one wants to claim they’re in charge of DOGE. When things go well, everyone will definitely show up credit, but when it falls apart, suddenly no one will be responsible. Disaster is an orphan!
31/41
@JKLund_Official
Good thread.
I also noticed that the numbers done make sense. How does one get 37.5 billion in savings from 75,000 buyouts?
$500k per govt employee?????
32/41
@br3jjc
Keep chasing…
33/41
@PhotoJouMATT
Did they just cancel the Departmental of Veterans affairs subscription to Dynamed?
34/41
@ajquery
they also have many instances like this
[Quoted tweet]
How can you have savings of $355,931 on a $79,486 contract? claimed total savings of $355,931, for a contract to MID-ATLANTIC SERVICES GROUP, INC. However, the source they provide claims $0 in savings, a contract value of $79,486, and a recipient of FEDERAL MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, LLC.
35/41
@jfeldis
I have been seeing daily savings updates from DOGE on X for the last few weeks
36/41
@NotPhilSledge
How do we know that the $55B figure is accurate, and what measures are in place to verify the savings claimed for each contract?
37/41
@Guruleaks1
unroll @threadreaderapp
38/41
@devahaz
Foreshadowing:
[Quoted tweet]
This DOGE stuff is so unserious. The “no-brainer” $125B savings include $120B that are simply a goal of how much of its spending the govt wants to contract to “socially/economically disadvantaged” small business. Sure get rid of that if you want, but it saves zero dollars.
39/41
@karenvaites
These issues are apparent in the Dept of Education cuts, too, per @jillbarshay’s reporting:
[Quoted tweet]
On DOGE cuts and the DOE:
“It seems unlikely that taxpayers will reap $881 million in savings from the cancellations.”
This is the key insight on DOGE’s cancellations to date. Not only is the claim about the size of the savings overstated, much of that work is apparently going to be re-bid, so “savings” claimed now will vaporize.
Frankly, the savings feels like a lot of smoke and mirrors.
In addition, there is still a fair amount of confusion about what projects are in that $881M in the first place. @jillbarshay gives examples, yet notes the sense of confusion.
40/41
@ChicagoPravda
[Quoted tweet]
DOGE has identified ~0.8% of the budget that can be cut. A decent, experienced financial analyst can find that in an afternoon. And would do so objectively instead of just cherry picking things for political reasons.
When does DOGE actually start doing something impressive?
41/41
@andremessina_
Elon go so rich he can no longer tell the difference between million and billion if it’s right there on the paper.
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@electricfutures
After several delays, @DOGE has finally posted its purported savings. Why did it take so long to create a simple webpage with a 1000-row table? Who knows! Let's dig in.
Headline number: $55B saved. They list the savings per nixed contract. This should be easy to verify then.
[Quoted tweet]
It's Monday. @DOGE is the laziest, most overpaid bunch of incompetent, unelected bureaucrats we've ever seen.
2/41
@electricfutures
The first thing I did is add up the "saved" column for all canceled contracts and real estate. The numbers are $16.5B and $0.14B, respectively. Odd...
Since almost all of the purported savings come from contracts, we'll focus on that.
2/
3/41
@electricfutures
The single biggest ticket item is a DHS contract listed as saving $8 billion. Wow, that's a huge contract!
Actually no, it's $8 million. They must have tried to automate scraping the FPDS form and failed.
That means we're down to $8.5B in savings.
3/
4/41
@electricfutures
The next 3 biggest ticket items are all USAID contracts listed as $655M each, so $2B total. Wow, pretty big.
Wait, these are IDVs, not contracts. $655M is the entire set-aside, being triple counted. In the first 5 years, only $73M was awarded, and only 2 years remain.
4/
5/41
@electricfutures
So we're down to $6.5B in savings, and an alarming trend emerges: @DOGE does not seem to understand how the government contracts they are canceling work. The savings they are claiming are not annual savings, but rather hypothetical savings if we spent every unobligated penny.
5/
6/41
@electricfutures
And more importantly, they are just getting it *wrong*, with alarming consistency. These numbers are erroneous. This "select group of geniuses" has not double checked even the LARGEST items accounting for the bulk of their claimed savings. This is a sad, pathetic farce
@elonmusk
7/41
@electricfutures
Here's the next biggest item: an IT services contract for the Social Security Administration worth $1B. That's a lot of savings!
Well, again, this contract spanned 6 years. 80% has already been spent. Ah well, more like $240M in savings spread over the next 3 years. $80M/year.
8/41
@electricfutures
In 2023, this contract funded 1000 FTEs working $100/hr. Did we need 1000 SWEs working on SSA infrastructure? Probably not - these could be valid savings (disclaimer: no idea what they actually did). But worth noting that these cuts will impact many private sector jobs as well.
9/41
@electricfutures
And if anyone is curious, there are currently 17 lines that say "SEE FPDS" rather than the savings amount, I guess because their automated scraping failed. I did it manually and it took roughly ~10 minutes. But that's too much to ask of super geniuses working 120 hours/week!
10/41
@DearLeftyFriend
Missing context:
11/41
@electricfutures
Congratulations, you scrolled infinitely far back in my replies and found an instance of me using logic to help someone understand the difference between communism and Democratic socialism
12/41
@tarakeshwar
You paid X to boost this tweet right
13/41
@electricfutures
Nope. @fukkyouiquit retweeted it and it went viral. I will never pay this site a fukking penny.
14/41
@pamdebear632
If you are so good at this, why did YOU not look into trying to root out waste in the govt? Is DOGE to be condemned bc during their attempt to find waste, they discovered fraud? We gotta start somewhere clawing back.
15/41
@electricfutures
If they paid me $14M they paid DOGE I guarantee you I would do an infinitely better job.
16/41
@LanceBybee
The gov can’t just cancel a contract without being liable for costs and expenses incurred prior to the cancellation. Most cancellations end up having costs and money spent on the contract, but if it was cancelled, then the government gets nothing return for that expenditure
17/41
@electricfutures
Yep, here is an example of that: https://nitter.poast.org/electricfutures/status/1891904556767781163
They are not accounting for these honestly at all. It's pretty clear their instructions were something like "pick the biggest number no matter what"
[Quoted tweet]
Here's the next biggest item: an IT services contract for the Social Security Administration worth $1B. That's a lot of savings!
Well, again, this contract spanned 6 years. 80% has already been spent. Ah well, more like $240M in savings spread over the next 3 years. $80M/year.
18/41
@RandTaylor2
Does Elon get a “finders fee”?
19/41
@electricfutures
He doesn't need to be paid because he gets to leverage the position to spread propaganda about & kneecap the agencies regulating his businesses. He's shown repeatedly he has no regard for the truth.
20/41
@SJonNantucket
I doubt your math is correct but also wondering what kind of person is rooting for waste and fraud
21/41
@electricfutures
I'm rooting for the truth.
There isn't much math here. These are very basic accounting errors (or intentional distortions to make the number seem bigger than it really is). I've yet to see any evidence of fraud.
22/41
@GamemasterYado
Elon consistently puts the L in Elon
23/41
@Nljigakulive
If DOGE really wanted to stop wasteful spending they’d go after the DOD/pentagon who have failed their last 7 audits.
24/41
@AstorAaron
This is good stuff. I think we should just call their work "DOGEshytE".
25/41
@barbarikon
They can do this because their target audience can’t read, nor understand numbers.
26/41
@JWSPEED2
Dismantle the whole Federal government and then @DOGE . That'll help.
27/41
@Shaelaran
“Please leave our unelected bureaucrats’ power to spend our taxpayer money alone.” That’s a no homie. I don’t care what breaks. We will see what happens in a year or two
28/41
@Marcusgibson
Why is Elon low-key reposting that bogus DOGE clock based on target not actual ~$55bn?
29/41
@BeasterXP
They have saved 2.75% of their goal in 1 month. This puts them on pace to save 2 Trillion in 36 months. The problem? They are hitting the easiest areas first. It’s going to get harder and harder to find savings. They should be over 30% of their goal to keep a realistic
30/41
@iiliyaa
We all know now why no one wants to claim they’re in charge of DOGE. When things go well, everyone will definitely show up credit, but when it falls apart, suddenly no one will be responsible. Disaster is an orphan!
31/41
@JKLund_Official
Good thread.
I also noticed that the numbers done make sense. How does one get 37.5 billion in savings from 75,000 buyouts?
$500k per govt employee?????
32/41
@br3jjc
Keep chasing…
33/41
@PhotoJouMATT
Did they just cancel the Departmental of Veterans affairs subscription to Dynamed?
34/41
@ajquery
they also have many instances like this
[Quoted tweet]
How can you have savings of $355,931 on a $79,486 contract? claimed total savings of $355,931, for a contract to MID-ATLANTIC SERVICES GROUP, INC. However, the source they provide claims $0 in savings, a contract value of $79,486, and a recipient of FEDERAL MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, LLC.
35/41
@jfeldis
I have been seeing daily savings updates from DOGE on X for the last few weeks
36/41
@NotPhilSledge
How do we know that the $55B figure is accurate, and what measures are in place to verify the savings claimed for each contract?
37/41
@Guruleaks1
unroll @threadreaderapp
38/41
@devahaz
Foreshadowing:
[Quoted tweet]
This DOGE stuff is so unserious. The “no-brainer” $125B savings include $120B that are simply a goal of how much of its spending the govt wants to contract to “socially/economically disadvantaged” small business. Sure get rid of that if you want, but it saves zero dollars.
39/41
@karenvaites
These issues are apparent in the Dept of Education cuts, too, per @jillbarshay’s reporting:
[Quoted tweet]
On DOGE cuts and the DOE:
“It seems unlikely that taxpayers will reap $881 million in savings from the cancellations.”
This is the key insight on DOGE’s cancellations to date. Not only is the claim about the size of the savings overstated, much of that work is apparently going to be re-bid, so “savings” claimed now will vaporize.
Frankly, the savings feels like a lot of smoke and mirrors.
In addition, there is still a fair amount of confusion about what projects are in that $881M in the first place. @jillbarshay gives examples, yet notes the sense of confusion.
40/41
@ChicagoPravda
[Quoted tweet]
DOGE has identified ~0.8% of the budget that can be cut. A decent, experienced financial analyst can find that in an afternoon. And would do so objectively instead of just cherry picking things for political reasons.
When does DOGE actually start doing something impressive?
41/41
@andremessina_
Elon go so rich he can no longer tell the difference between million and billion if it’s right there on the paper.
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Federal Judge lets Elon Musk and DOGE access government data systems.
They must have paid her well. Retarded whites in the comments celebrating
They must have paid her well. Retarded whites in the comments celebrating
1/10
@Acyn
Swalwell: When you get rid of the bird flu monitors who protect the chickens against bird flu, and then keep the cost of eggs down, that does not make us economically safe.
When you get rid of people at the FAA as planes are crashing in America, that makes us less safe.
When you get rid of FBI agents who are supposed to watch out for terrorism, that makes us less safe.
When you get rid of people at the CDC who are supposed to protect us from a measles outbreak in Texas, that makes us less safe.
So in California, when you get rid of firefighters at the forest service, as we have unseasonable winds and the fires that have ravaged across Southern California and Northern California, that makes us less safe
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1893091954558169088/vid/avc1/1280x720/bWEtf7c3DL4WqPhz.mp4
2/10
@DrRober60728667
Imagine running a pizza place and firing the dough maker, cheese shredder, oven guy, and delivery driver—just to save money. Sure, you’ve ‘cut costs,’ but now you’ve got no pizza, angry customers, and chaos in the kitchen.
That’s basically what Swalwell is saying: firing the people who keep things running smoothly (like stopping diseases, crashing planes, and wildfires) doesn’t make us safer—it turns life into a disaster buffet.
Lesson? You can’t save money if everything’s burning down around you.
3/10
@Patriot_45_
Swallowell is an asset of the Chinese,hiw is he in Congress
4/10
@CzElite7
Anyone that is an X premium user and use Grok, on each of the topics Swallwell brought up and correct him.
I would do it but the answers are extremely long.
Bottom line: there are more than enough EXISTING employees, at all the agencies he mentioned to get the job done.
Lastly, and specifically, in regard to the FAA: I believe that 300 people were laid off / fired and NONE were on towers or relating to flight take offs or landings.
5/10
@kejamani11
Finally some logic. I need more like that
6/10
@SuckItVileLibs
Sally Swalwell
7/10
@DailyNewj
Basically, gutting essential services to save a few bucks doesn’t make you smart, it makes everyone less safe.
8/10
@Charles91896846
”Bird flu monitors….”…..
9/10
@dogeai_gov
Swalwell’s fearmongering misses the point: Trump’s bird flu strategy prioritizes smart biosecurity over Biden’s mass chicken culling, which spiked egg prices. Cutting bureaucratic dead weight at the FAA, FBI, CDC, or Forest Service isn’t about safety—it’s about ending waste.
The FBI’s JTTFs remain our frontline defense against terrorism, while D.C. elites protect their bloated budgets. Inflation, not staffing cuts, is the real threat.
Trump’s focus: crush inflation, expose waste, secure America. Period.
10/10
@MToppeta
From the mouth of our Chinese spy-loving congresswacko. It’s a bunch of nonsense. They try to lop the Canadian crash in with it too, where they clearly came down hard and collapsed the landing gear. In any case, we have up to this point, had a Government of Fraud, waste, abuse…and total incompetence!
Don’t even get me started on the FBI, who was busy with political persecutions over investigating actual crime.
We will be safer, healthier, happier…and far more prosperous!
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@Acyn
Swalwell: When you get rid of the bird flu monitors who protect the chickens against bird flu, and then keep the cost of eggs down, that does not make us economically safe.
When you get rid of people at the FAA as planes are crashing in America, that makes us less safe.
When you get rid of FBI agents who are supposed to watch out for terrorism, that makes us less safe.
When you get rid of people at the CDC who are supposed to protect us from a measles outbreak in Texas, that makes us less safe.
So in California, when you get rid of firefighters at the forest service, as we have unseasonable winds and the fires that have ravaged across Southern California and Northern California, that makes us less safe
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1893091954558169088/vid/avc1/1280x720/bWEtf7c3DL4WqPhz.mp4
2/10
@DrRober60728667
Imagine running a pizza place and firing the dough maker, cheese shredder, oven guy, and delivery driver—just to save money. Sure, you’ve ‘cut costs,’ but now you’ve got no pizza, angry customers, and chaos in the kitchen.
That’s basically what Swalwell is saying: firing the people who keep things running smoothly (like stopping diseases, crashing planes, and wildfires) doesn’t make us safer—it turns life into a disaster buffet.
Lesson? You can’t save money if everything’s burning down around you.
3/10
@Patriot_45_
Swallowell is an asset of the Chinese,hiw is he in Congress
4/10
@CzElite7
Anyone that is an X premium user and use Grok, on each of the topics Swallwell brought up and correct him.
I would do it but the answers are extremely long.
Bottom line: there are more than enough EXISTING employees, at all the agencies he mentioned to get the job done.
Lastly, and specifically, in regard to the FAA: I believe that 300 people were laid off / fired and NONE were on towers or relating to flight take offs or landings.
5/10
@kejamani11
Finally some logic. I need more like that
6/10
@SuckItVileLibs
Sally Swalwell
7/10
@DailyNewj
Basically, gutting essential services to save a few bucks doesn’t make you smart, it makes everyone less safe.
8/10
@Charles91896846
”Bird flu monitors….”…..9/10
@dogeai_gov
Swalwell’s fearmongering misses the point: Trump’s bird flu strategy prioritizes smart biosecurity over Biden’s mass chicken culling, which spiked egg prices. Cutting bureaucratic dead weight at the FAA, FBI, CDC, or Forest Service isn’t about safety—it’s about ending waste.
The FBI’s JTTFs remain our frontline defense against terrorism, while D.C. elites protect their bloated budgets. Inflation, not staffing cuts, is the real threat.
Trump’s focus: crush inflation, expose waste, secure America. Period.
10/10
@MToppeta
From the mouth of our Chinese spy-loving congresswacko. It’s a bunch of nonsense. They try to lop the Canadian crash in with it too, where they clearly came down hard and collapsed the landing gear. In any case, we have up to this point, had a Government of Fraud, waste, abuse…and total incompetence!
Don’t even get me started on the FBI, who was busy with political persecutions over investigating actual crime.
We will be safer, healthier, happier…and far more prosperous!
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That's interesting. This will provide precedent for other agency heads to do the same, considerably watering down Elmo's "authority".
Let them fight.
Let them fight.
Airbnb Hosts Ditch Platform as Co-Founder Joins Musk’s DOGE
The platform’s hosts are turning to competitors as its once-Democratic co-founder goes full MAGA.
Airbnb Hosts Ditch Platform as Billionaire Co-Founder Joins Elon Musk’s DOGE
INTO THIN AIR
The platform’s hosts are turning to competitors as its once-Democratic co-founder goes full MAGA.
Josh Fiallo
Breaking News Reporter
Updated Feb. 22 2025 3:30AM EST Published Feb. 21 2025 6:16PM EST
Arturo Holmes/Getty Images for Tribeca Festiva
Many Airbnb hosts have ditched the platform since its billionaire co-founder Joe Gebbia went full MAGA after President Donald Trump’s inauguration.
Gebbia—who left Airbnb three years ago, but still sits on its board—was revealed to have joined Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) last week. The San Francisco Standard reported that the news has short-term rental hosts fleeing in droves.
More than half of the posts on Airbnb’s message boards since Thursday are reportedly from hosts and travelers threatening—or outright announcing—they are cutting ties with the platform over Gebbia’s affiliation with DOGE, which has fired federal workers en masse and, in some cases, seemingly at random.
Host Krista O’Connell told the Standard that she has been using the platform over a decade in Arlington, Virginia, just outside the nation’s capital. The federal worker purge orchestrated by DOGE has devastated her community, and she wants no affiliation with anyone supporting the department.
“I can no longer be an Airbnb host in good faith,” she told the Standard. “I don’t want to be a part of an organization that’s generating profit for someone that’s destroying the government and destroying my community… I can’t be a part of the destruction.”
O’Connell says she removed her rental listing “immediately” upon learning of Gebbia’s affiliation with DOGE. She also expressed shock that Gebbia, a former Hillary Clinton donor who supported housing Afghan refugees in Airbnbs for free, would want to be affiliated with the Trump administration’s anti-immigrant policies.
What’s more is the growing boycott does not appear to be limited to the states. Cheri DiNovo, a former Canadian politician in Ontario, Canada, made a viral post this week that urged people to use Airbnb’s competitors. The post was liked 15,000 times on Musk’s X platform.
Gebbia, 43, serves on the board of Musk’s Tesla company and has long been one of Musk’s friends. Forbes estimates Gebbia, a suburban Atlanta native, to be worth $8.8 billion.
It is unclear what Gebbia’s role in DOGE might be, and he has yet to personally confirm his affiliation with the department, which was unearthed by The New York Times last week. The outlet reported that Gebbia, who lives in a $10 million minimalist home in Austin, was spotted walking into the Office of Personnel Management’s D.C. office flanked by three security guards.
Gebbia donated to the Democrats in 2023, giving $20,000 to Joe Biden’s re-election bid before it sputtered out the following summer. However, the entrepreneur is a major supporter of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and appears to have shifted his politics around the same time Kennedy dropped out of the 2024 race and did the same.
Big day ahead for the future of health in America. Let’s get Bobby confirmedpic.twitter.com/iSA5evflmc
— Joe Gebbia (@jgebbia) January 29, 2025
Gebbia has also not kept his changing political affiliations a secret. He revealed a day before Trump’s inauguration that he voted for the Republican and, more recently, traveled to attend Kennedy’s confirmation hearing. In a post that morning, he declared that it was a “big day ahead for the future of health in America.”
Amid growing calls to boycott Airbnb, a spokesperson told Newsweek that Gebbia is no longer involved in its day-to-day operations.
“Joe serves on Airbnb’s Board of Directors, but he has not been involved in day-to-day operations since he stepped down in 2022,” according to the statement. “Airbnb has always been about more than the viewpoint of any one person, our community is made up of millions of hosts and hundreds of millions of guests from all walks of life.”
DOGE’s Only Public Ledger Is Riddled With Mistakes
The figures from Elon Musk’s team of outsiders represent billions in government cuts. They are also full of accounting errors, outdated data and other miscalculations.
DOGE’s Only Public Ledger Is Riddled With Mistakes
The figures from Elon Musk’s team of outsiders represent billions in government cuts. They are also full of accounting errors, outdated data and other miscalculations.
Elon Musk has been a central figure in the first month of the Trump administration.Credit...Eric Lee/The New York Times
By Aatish BhatiaEmily BadgerDavid A. FahrentholdJosh KatzMargot Sanger-Katz and Ethan Singer
The reporters reviewed hundreds of federal contracts, interviewed contracting experts and spoke to recipients of canceled contracts.
- Feb. 21, 2025
Elon Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency say they have saved the federal government $55 billion through staff reductions, lease cancellations and a long list of terminated contracts published online this week as a “wall of receipts.”
President Trump has been celebrating the published savings, even musing about a proposal to mail checks to all Americans to reimburse them with a “DOGE dividend.”
But the math that could back up those checks is marred with accounting errors, incorrect assumptions, outdated data and other mistakes, according to a New York Times analysis of all the contracts listed. While the DOGE team has surely cut some number of billions of dollars, its slapdash accounting adds to a pattern of recklessness by the group, which has recently gained access to sensitive government payment systems.
Some contracts the group claims credit for were double- or triple-counted. Another initially contained an error that inflated the totals by billions of dollars. In at least one instance, the group claimed an entire contract had been canceled when only part of the work had been halted. In others, contracts the group said it had closed were actually ended under the Biden administration.
The canceled contracts listed on the website make up a small part of the $55 billion total that the group estimated it had found so far. It was not possible to independently verify that number or other totals on the site with the evidence provided. A senior White House official described how the office made its calculations on individual contracts, but did not respond to numerous questions about other aspects of the group’s accounting. But it is clear that every dollar the website claims credit for is not necessarily a dollar the federal government would have spent — or one that can now be returned to the public.
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A screenshot of the DOGE site’s “wall of receipts” on Friday.
The mistakes touched a wide range of contracts — some worth hundreds of millions of dollars and others worth just a few thousand.
David Reid, an environmental scientist in Michigan, was surprised to learn his contract studying invasive species in the St. Lawrence Seaway was included on the list. “That contract wasn’t canceled by DOGE or anyone else,” he said. The contract expired on Dec. 31 and he decided to retire and not renew it, he said. “If they took credit for canceling the contract, they’re lying.”
The group claimed $25,000 in savings from his project.
Though the group’s public messaging has focused on the efficiency in its name, most of the canceled contracts appear to relate to other administration priorities, such as the shuttering of U.S.A.I.D. and the elimination of government programs on diversity, equity and inclusion. The cancellations listed come disproportionately from businesses run by women and people from minority groups.
Share of minority-owned businesses
| Among contracts DOGE claims it canceled | 26% |
| Among all federal contracts | 12% |
Source: DOGE, Federal Procurement Data System
DOGE figures reflect 1,123 contracts listed on its website on Feb. 21 that could be linked to a federal contract. Federal contract figures are based on an analysis by Deltek.
DOGE’s Only Public Ledger Is Riddled With Mistakes - The New York Times
The numerous mistakes, according to people familiar with the complex world of government contracting, suggest that Mr. Musk’s team of outsiders, charged by the president with cutting spending, don’t fully understand it.
The numbers have been cheered by Mr. Musk’s online followers, who are eager for the new administration to reduce wasteful spending funded by taxpayer dollars. But even contracting insiders who share that goal — and who believe that the government systems that track spending badly need repair — were increasingly skeptical of the effort this week.
Amber Hart, the co-founder of a research and advisory firm, the Pulse, that specializes in federal contracting, said it’s simply not possible to create a real-time accounting of contract savings with the data the team has used — as DOGE has promised on its website.
“There’s no way for them to make it possible unless they completely overhaul the way the data is reported — which would be awesome,” she said. “I would absolutely love for them to break that. They’re breaking the wrong things.”
Why it’s hard to say how much is really being saved
The 1,125 contracts the initiative’s website listed as of Friday night make up about 20 percent of the project’s overall spending cuts, the website said, although The Times’s analysis could not reconcile those numbers. The website says the remaining dollars come from efforts like reducing the federal work force, but provides no data or specific estimates.
The dollar values posted for each contract derive from data in a central tracking system for government contracts with outside vendors.
Here’s an example of how Mr. Musk’s team made one such calculation, according to the White House official’s description of the process:
DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION AND ACCESSIBILITY (DEIA) PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT SERVICES
Contract #70RSAT23FR0000139 awarded by DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY to THE MILLENNIUM GROUP INTERNATIONAL, LLC
$0 Obligated spending
$5,400,000 Savings
Take this contract for D.E.I. services for the Department of Homeland Security. DOGE says canceling it saved $5.4 million.
Take this contract for D.E.I. services for the Department of Homeland Security. DOGE says canceling it saved $5.4 million.
To arrive at this figure, it started with the contract’s total potential value: around $7.5 million.
To arrive at this figure, it started with the contract’s total potential value: around $7.5 million.
Then it subtracted the amount that appears to have already been spent.
Then it subtracted the amount that appears to have already been spent.
At first glance, this seems straightforward …
At first glance, this seems straightforward …
Figures are rounded.
But such savings estimates can be too high, several experts said, for a few reasons.
For one, the spending figure may undercount what the government has already spent, because the data in the federal contracting system can be several months out of date.
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