No one is shutting down an elite offensive PG. Not sure what you think is suppose to happen, is Rondo suppose to goose egg Derrick Rose? Kobe use to bust Shane Battier's ass, but always said Battier was one of the best players to guard him. It's about making life difficult, but a great offensive player will find ways to score
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No one is shutting down an elite offensive PG. Not sure what you think is suppose to happen, is Rondo suppose to goose egg Derrick Rose? Kobe use to bust Shane Battier's ass, but always said Battier was one of the best players to guard him. It's about making life difficult, but a great offensive player will find ways to score
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no that's not what im aruging at all, thanks captain obvious for that information. read again - i said HIS long arms dont have shyt to do with getting rebounds. because a) the celtics didn't prioritize rebounding - they've been in the bottom half of the league ever since rondo's been there. If my recollection serves me right they've never had a double digit rebounder in that time also - hence why he has more opportunities to get boards. b) rondo hardly ever plays man-to-man and roams 90% of the time (plus with his knack for anticipating where the ball might go), he's able to put himself in better position than someone who might only be concerned with man defense. c) in the list of importance for a PG, rebounds are almost dead last.
@ this post of fallacy
I do think that Derrick Rose has improved his decision-making since that injury and will show another dimension to him that we haven't seen before. Don't forget, he averaged 7-8 APG as a SCORING point guard... imagine what he can do the more he improves
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some of you Rose stans are just awful. I give Rondo the edge as a passer, playmaker, defender, and rebounder. YET I still give Rose the credit for being a better overall player by a solid margin. And dudes are still coming at my head?
Gil Scott-Heroin
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What fallacy? So Boston wasn't in the bottom half of teams for rebounding for the last 4-6 years? Rondo doesn't play the passing lanes? Rebounds are important for a PG, in terms of where they rank?
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Gil Scott-Heroin
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It's got nothing to do with Rose. I'm giving you reality. If this conversation was about Parker (instead of Rose), I would've posted the exact same thing.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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Rondo is a better playmaker then Rose, and thats where it stops in regards to skills that matter for a PG.
Rondo is probably a better rebounder, but who really gives a shyt. The Bulls are the best rebounding team in the league.
Rondo is NOT a better defender than Rose. Rose can stick a man better, period. Rondo is better at playing passing lanes, but he lets dudes get by him ALL the time. He just had the luxury of funneling them to KG. Rose just doesnt play passing lanes because it isnt Thibs' philosophy.
The idea that Rondo is a better 'leader' like someone noted is absolute and utter bullshyt. Youre talking about a guy who has been in countless trade rumors and has had many whispers about not gelling with teammates. Its just a silly thing to try and quantify regardless, we are not in these locker rooms.
Rose is a dominant player that alters the pace of games. He can take over games in 4th Q's. People falling back on this idea of a 'pure point', or that Rondo would be better suited for certain teams are just stupid and being contrarian, That logic applies to no other positions. Rose is better than Rondo, that is where the discussion stands.
No team in the league regardless of coaching staff of player personnel would prefer Rondo to Rose.
Rondo is probably a better rebounder, but who really gives a shyt. The Bulls are the best rebounding team in the league.
Rondo is NOT a better defender than Rose. Rose can stick a man better, period. Rondo is better at playing passing lanes, but he lets dudes get by him ALL the time. He just had the luxury of funneling them to KG. Rose just doesnt play passing lanes because it isnt Thibs' philosophy.
The idea that Rondo is a better 'leader' like someone noted is absolute and utter bullshyt. Youre talking about a guy who has been in countless trade rumors and has had many whispers about not gelling with teammates. Its just a silly thing to try and quantify regardless, we are not in these locker rooms.
Rose is a dominant player that alters the pace of games. He can take over games in 4th Q's. People falling back on this idea of a 'pure point', or that Rondo would be better suited for certain teams are just stupid and being contrarian, That logic applies to no other positions. Rose is better than Rondo, that is where the discussion stands.
No team in the league regardless of coaching staff of player personnel would prefer Rondo to Rose.
More stupid posting from you.
are you serious? There's no PG that's going to consistently shut down Rose, Westbrook, Nash (in his prime), Parker etc etc one on one. I really wish you'd stop commenting in this thread, your basketball knowledge is severely lacking compared to other posters and you're just wasting everyone's time having to scroll past your nonsensical retorts. I can tell you never laced them up.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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Bradley shut down Curry last season. Rose has shut down Paul. They've been multiple games where elite offensive PGs have been shut down. It happens. And the bolded doesn't make any sense, because I'm saying the same things that other posters are. Step your troll game up.
Your stupidity is annoying.
Everyone has a bad game., did Gary Payton shut down Jordan? Or does scoring 24 ppg on the glove even qualify as shutting down. Or shooting 50% during in a game against the Glove constitute as being shut down?
You're a moron, you take 1 game and try to extrapolate that into being consistently shut down. The game I'm assuming you're talking about with Bradley , Curry scored 25 points. Most of the shots he missed were 3 pointers. Not to mention, I'm not sure if you qualify Curry as "elite" PG...but even if you do...like I said above elite players will find ways to score and 25 points doesn't sound like shutting someone down. Great defenders will make it hard and slow the offensive player down, but will not shut down an elite player. Everyone has bad stretches and obviously basketball is a team sport...
Gil Scott-Heroin
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What the fukk are you talking about? The point is elite offensive PGs do get shut down. It happens. It's the nature of the game.
1 game getting shut down = getting shut down. When the fukk did this turn into being consistently shut down? You're once again showing you don't watch games by referencing how much Curry scored. When Bradley was on the court, Curry got shut down.
What the fukk are you talking about? The point is elite offensive PGs do get shut down. It happens. It's the nature of the game.
i'm going to stop insulting you, because you're obviously taking this as a compliment.
Consistency comes into play, because I walk into a game a guard Lebron and he may shoot 0-5 over a 10 minute span, doesn't necessarily mean I shut Lebron down. It's shows your lack of arithmetic and statistical aptitude.
You are extrapolating a few moments in the game playing Curry as being shut down and it's foolish.
Curry scored 25 ppg, for you to say none of that was on Bradley is moronic and untrue.
For you to say someone shot 3-11 on 3's (or whatever) was solely due to Bradley is moronic.
For you to ignore Bradley only played 20 minutes (and almost fouled out) while Curry played 40+ is disingenuous.
For you to quantify being shutdown as shooting poorly shows you don't know what being shutdown is
For you to call a jump shooting PG as an elite player is misleading
How many points did Curry score on Avery (from the field or due to FT's from being fouled). Do you have that evidence handy, because you're talking like you have these #s.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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No I'm not. How do you even come to this conclusion when you didn't watch the game?
When did I say none of his points was on Bradley? Where? And since when did shutting down a player means you have to keep them to ZERO points? And when did I say Curry shooting 3-11 was solely down to Bradley? Where? When did I ignore the differences with the on-court times? I already said before "when Bradley was on the court. Curry got shut down". Nothing but troll, troll, troll statements.
How the fukk do you know i quantify being shutdown as shooting poorly, when I never made mention of what it means to being shutdown? How'd you come to this?
Not it's not misleading to call Curry an elite 'offensive' player. Why are you even commenting on this Warriors/Celtics game when you didn't even watch it?