Did Eminem really Kill Jay-Z on "Renegade" or was that overstated?

[Lord Mecca]

Too much revisionism with this renegade stuff.

When it dropped, people were saying Em had a hot verse and better mic presence and flow (this is undeniable).

But absolutely nobody - literally 0% of people - were saying he killed Jay until Nas said so in Ether.

That said, this is one of Em's top 5 verses. If we were to put up one of Jay's top 5 verses against it, it would be an absolute slaughter. Non-lazy Prime Jay literally has 20+ verses better than what Em lay down on here.

stop this. It's always been a debate.

Since when was there a collabo of this nature where people weren't talking about who killed who.

Ever since that track dropped it's been a coin flip as per opinion... the "Eminem murdered you on your own shyt" line was a reflection of a lot of public opinion, split or not.

 

[mr.africa]

 

[pimpineasy]

i didnt even really like eminem's verse. and i was cool with eminem back then.

regardless of whoever you think came nicer, the idea of eminem murking him on the track was indeed overstated for multiple obvious reasons(his race & Ether).

ive seen jay get clearly outshined on tracks and nobody made a big deal about it. beans rapped circles around jay on the regular for like 2 years str8 and he didnt get a trophy, cookie or nothin.

Naw but he got jailtime does that count?

 

[ls773]

What say u?

this is actually a dope thread, my first instinct was to say Em crushed him, but Jay's verses permanently in my head, had to listen to it again to remember em's shyt, says it all for me.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Hov was coastin, Em was doin alot...he was excited being on the track with the gawd

goat jay stan

 

[Fmju]

he murked jay-z because of his complex rhyme scheme

Actually looking at the lyrics while I listen and....

You might be right

 

[Fart Knocker]

jay-z vs. nas threads in 2014? this shyt dropped in 2001 smh. (yes the thread is about jay and em, but in reality this is about the jay/nas beef)

 

[Bickin Back Being Bool]

to take it a step further, Nas fukked up the way we view collabs after Ether, now everytime 2 dudes on a song, its who murdered who, can't even say they both killed it.

 

[Mike Ock]

Jay barely kept up with the elites.

B.I.G. embarrassed him twice.

Even on Welcome to NY w/Cam, Juelz said he only did the hook because Cam and Jay laid their verses too fast. Remember Jay is the one that brags about using no pen, but once he left the booth Cam went in right after him and dropped his verse.

He can't even keep up with Beyonce.

 

[D_iLLest™]

why ppl acting like it was originally jayz song though

we gon act like it wasnt eminem's song he did with royce da 5'9 and then gave to jay z


but considering that, jay coulda went harder since he laid his verses after eminem

Never heard this before

Royce's verses were nice

 

[mr.africa]

to take it a step further, Nas fukked up the way we view collabs after Ether, now everytime 2 dudes on a song, its who murdered who, can't even say they both killed it.

Jay started it by claiming that Horse had the better verse on oochie wally.
nas took jay's insult and flipped it and made a more memorable/funny line out of it
and 'murdered you on your own shyt' was born!!

 

[JayBaldacci]

Jay barely kept up with the elites.

B.I.G. embarrassed him twice.

Even on Welcome to NY w/Cam, Juelz said he only did the hook because Cam and Jay laid their verses too fast. Remember Jay is the one that brags about using no pen, but once he left the booth Cam went in right after him and dropped his verse.

Jay was just as good as big on both songs

 

[nomas]

It is what it is.

 

[Billy Ocean]

All I remember is that no one was saying that Eminem killed Jay on Renegade until Ether dropped.

Since then these Nas dikriders just went with the flow and now they act like that they felt the same way since day 1

I don't know where the fvck you from, but EVERYBODY was talking about how Em murdered Jay on that track where I'm from.

Jay got ate something delicious on Renegade. It is what it is. Jay stans move on.

 

[Bickin Back Being Bool]

Jay started it by claiming that Horse had the better verse on oochie wally.
nas took jay's insult and flipped it and made a more memorable/funny line out of it
and 'murdered you on your own shyt' was born!!

so you admit it was nas, thank you.