Early 2000's?
DMX, Jay Z, 50 Cent, Nas, Dipset, etc ran hip hop....
Nelly dont count, was a pop star
And Eminem was a cac, so that dont count.
Did Hip Hop get better or worse once NY lost it?
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Early 2000's?
DMX, Jay Z, 50 Cent, Nas, Dipset, etc ran hip hop....
Nelly dont count, was a pop star
And Eminem was a cac, so that dont count.
Can't say if the original NY identity losing its mainstream specifically made Rap worse. But I can say Drill rap came in and completely ruined the game 
It does kinda make you wonder 
Hip Hop hit its highest heights when a NY rapper was not at the center. (Drake,Future,Trav,Baby etc.)
When NY is at the center there is always competition, beef and friction (Biggie,Jay,Nas,50,Dipset etc.)
Maybe if anything at the time Hip Hop needed rapstars more focused on collaboration rather than competition in order for the genre to expand.
Hip Hop hit its highest heights when a NY rapper was not at the center. (Drake,Future,Trav,Baby etc.)
When NY is at the center there is always competition, beef and friction (Biggie,Jay,Nas,50,Dipset etc.)
Maybe if anything at the time Hip Hop needed rapstars more focused on collaboration rather than competition in order for the genre to expand.
Surely Luda counts. Surely Kast counts. Surely CMR counts.
Eminem still counts.
Even on the West, 2001 was somewhat of a revival. 2001 was huge. There was Last Meal. There was Restless. Dr. Dre and Eminem were key elements in 50's success.
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This, same flow as well and delivery etc., could not tell them apart for the most part a lot of times so you are correct.
But competition pushed them to make better music a lot of the time.... So that is also a factor.It does kinda make you wonder
Hip Hop hit its highest heights when a NY rapper was not at the center. (Drake,Future,Trav,Baby etc.)
When NY is at the center there is always competition, beef and friction (Biggie,Jay,Nas,50,Dipset etc.)
Maybe if anything at the time Hip Hop needed rapstars more focused on collaboration rather than competition in order for the genre to expand.
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it became more enjoyable to the common individual
it became easy listening that complemented getting high riding out to the club to trick off etcetera
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it became easy listening that complemented getting high riding out to the club to trick off etcetera
99.9% of people prefer feeling to thinking
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this.
i used to love Mobb Deep, WU, and Nas because they were dope and sounded like New York to me.
Snoop and them felt like Long Beach and California.
Kast felt like Atlanta, CMR felt like the NO, etc.
The internet ruined that to me. Everyone began to sound like whatever the popular sound was. Regional culture, slang, and sound makes it unique.
It does kinda make you wonder
Hip Hop hit its highest heights when a NY rapper was not at the center. (Drake,Future,Trav,Baby etc.)
When NY is at the center there is always competition, beef and friction (Biggie,Jay,Nas,50,Dipset etc.)
Maybe if anything at the time Hip Hop needed rapstars more focused on collaboration rather than competition in order for the genre to expand.
Rap for the past 15 years has no other real competition. In the 90s and 80s, Rap was in its own world . With Rock, White Pop, and RNB, and even Country dominating the charts really before Em.
That was a whole nother time, when Rap was relegated to Late night radio shows, 1 show per day on BET/Music Box for NYC people. 1 weekly show on MTV.
To compare is just goofy.
That's not really on Puffy. Biggie was never required to dumb down or soften his verses, and didn't. Jay doing so was his own prerogative, and why for me he can't be the GOAT.
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Mostly referring to after BIG died. The shiny suit era when puff was on top.
Theres of course many factors, but I see puff as the main decline of nyc and hip hop overall. It's not just bc NYC lost its position of top either, there are plenty of dope artists around from all regions, just less and less as the years go on and everything is mostly commercialized. The major commercialization push was with puff after Biggie passed
Not to contest with you at all because I also believe the late 80s - mid 90s reigns king, but
The Recession (2008)
DS2 (2015)
Victory Lap (2019)
Graduation (2007)
Are all classic albums in their own right.
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bah humbug it got worse
wont even dance around it
no lies here, breh
New York rap in the 90s is hip hop to me.
anything outside of that is some other shyt.
wont even dance around it
no lies here, breh
New York rap in the 90s is hip hop to me.
anything outside of that is some other shyt.