Did I play this wrong? (Job related)

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Musty

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Wow. To answer your question, you played this TOTALLY wrong.

This is not how you handle yourself out here.

I haven’t read the rest of the thread - I hope the other Brothers here aren’t cheering on this amateur foolishness. Smh.
 

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A few things:

1) Doesn’t matter that the supervisor was late. If that was that big a turnoff, don’t go thru w/ the interview or follow up afterwards. That’s like when people want their meals comped because they had to wait longer than normal for a table - da fugg u still here for then lil nikka?
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1A) It’s very difficult to successfully “ding” a higher up for being late to a meeting. You don’t know the situation. They may have had an urgent confidential WORK RELATED issue to tend to, coulda had meetings with HIGHER higher ups that went long. Entry level people trying to make a thing of this is never a good look.

2) Unless you have some other $hit lined up already DO NOT tell them you’re not sure if you can accept a POTENTIAL offer....NO NO NO. You’re essentially $hitting all over the good interview you just gave.

NOBODY at that job is gonna read your unprofessional email and go “uh oh, he’s puttin is on a deadline, we better get our $hit together before we lose him!” That was such a wasted communication. Out of pocket for sure.

You do not have the leverage to be doin this $hit.

On the real side tho, let this be a learning experience bro.
 

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What would yall do differently?
@Sweet Meat Chaucer , @ABC123 , @Musty

What was your goal? To have her email you back or call you about an immediate start time?

If there is a freeze then there is a freeze. :yeshrug: no offense but you aren't the only qualified candidate. If you aren't available when they send out emails or calls saying "hey are you ready to start xxxxx" it's no skin off of their backs.

You'll either still be waiting or have accepted another job by the time they are ready :manny:

This is coming from someone who's both been given a job then had the start date pushed back 30 days and accepted another offer that called me the next day saying can you start Monday, and as a person who accepted a job that started Monday and bounced on it because I got a job that was in my field and paid better that started two weeks later.
 

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should have sent a short follow up and left it like that

Delays happen all the time, sometimes budget changes and they have to hold off on the position.

Until you have a job and have signed the paper keep looking. I've applied for jobs had a interview and like months later they get back to me.
 

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What would yall do differently?
@Sweet Meat Chaucer , @ABC123 , @Musty

Lay low and don’t say $hit beyond sending a thank you card. Maybe in the thank you card/note drop a line about how “I look forward to hearing from you” or even say “i wouldn’t mind if you’re able to keep me updated on the situation surrounding the hiring delay”.

Someone could be putting in work behind the scenes to make an exception for you/your position for all you know (they don’t owe you those details if they are) Stomping your foot like Sonic the Hedgehog is not endearing whatsoever.

Verbal offers are always ALWAYS conditional.

I would pursue other opportunities while leaving the door open for them to make a firm offer once they’re able. Once they make an offer and are WAITING FOR YOU to say yes/no, THEN you have leverage to knit pic about how long you can entertain this, who was late to the interview, etc.
 

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What was your goal? To have her email you back or call you about an immediate start time?

If there is a freeze then there is a freeze. :yeshrug: no offense but you aren't the only qualified candidate. If you aren't available when they send out emails or calls saying "hey are you ready to start xxxxx" it's no skin off of their backs.

You'll either still be waiting or have accepted another job by the time they are ready :manny:

This is coming from someone who's both been given a job then had the start date pushed back 30 days and accepted another offer that called me the next day saying can you start Monday, and as a person who accepted a job that started Monday and bounced on it because I got a job that was in my field and paid better that started two weeks later.
The goal was to get a solid job offer.
Lay low and don’t say $hit beyond sending a thank you card. Maybe in the thank you card/note drop a line about how “I look forward to hearing from you” or even say “i wouldn’t mind if you’re able to keep me updated on the situation surrounding the hiring delay”.

Someone could be putting in work behind the scenes to make an exception for you/your position for all you know (they don’t owe you those details if they are) Stomping your foot like Sonic the Hedgehog is not endearing whatsoever.

Verbal offers are always ALWAYS conditional.

I would pursue other opportunities while leaving the door open for them to make a firm offer once they’re able. Once they make an offer and are WAITING FOR YOU to say yes/no, THEN you have leverage to knit pic about how long you can entertain this, who was late to the interview, etc.
The only thing is that I found out about the delay because I emailed first. If I would of never said thank you she might not have given me a notification about any delay. So I was more unprofessional than her?
 

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The goal was to get a solid job offer.

So I was more unprofessional than her?

Well if there is a hiring freeze, she can't give you a job. :yeshrug:. I don't know if you want her to promise it to you if or when it becomes available, with hopes that she'll actually keep her word but with a freeze there's no contract she's gonna have you sign, she ain't gonna put you on payroll so any further communication initiated by you is just wasting your time.

It also sounds like you want some type of win out of this situation. A symbolic victory (which means nothing).

She wasn't really unprofessional, yeah she was late but then again you are at her mercy. She's getting paid, you want to get paid. :manny: she doesn't have to justify her lateness to you, especially if it's internal business matters. Yeah it's one thing if she was sleeping or talking and laughing with coworkers checking Facebook or some frivolous shyt, but lets be honest that likely wasn't the case.

At the end of the day you still need or want a job, whether this event is enough to turn you off from the offer or the company is on you and that isn't a problem, but this internal conflict you have about being right or having been wronged is silly in my opinion.
 

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@Shazeer Fitzgerald

Your first email should have been slightly more oblique in nature..

Email1
Greeting.
Thank them again for their time.
Remind them that you are still waiting - passive verb forms.
Stress positive aspects of your suitability and state that your visit convinced you that the company is a good match for you. State that you are keen to get started.
Explain that you cannot finally commit to the role (in spirit and of course legally) until you have a written offer in hand.
Explain that you cannot wait indefinitely - do not say that directly, use passive language, use circumstances as logistical constraints rather than anything to do with your opinion and/or their professionalism or behaviour. Put the time limit here.
Ask them to let you know asap.
Salutation

Then (if you heard nothing) you could have sent a final email (n weeks later) along the following lines.

Email2
Greeting and refer back to your previous email.
Confirm the state of play from your side (no confirmation received as yet!).
Refer to the constraining circumstances stated in your previous email.
Explain how those circumstances have forced you to look elsewhere / accept something else. Do not be overly specific in this part.
Thank them for everything and leave the door open for the future.
Salutation
 

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I personally don't think you were unprofessional, i work in municipality government and communication is half the battle....

Because of the bureaucratic process most governments take a minute to hire for(I'm dealing with it now) unless your an internal candidate..

I personally think she already had a candidate she wanted to hire but gave you the verbal just in case the other candidate didn't accept for whatever reason, i truthfully do alot of the same tactics when hiring people.....
 

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Well if there is a hiring freeze, she can't give you a job. :yeshrug:. I don't know if you want her to promise it to you if or when it becomes available, with hopes that she'll actually keep her word but with a freeze there's no contract she's gonna have you sign, she ain't gonna put you on payroll so any further communication initiated by you is just wasting your time.

It also sounds like you want some type of win out of this situation. A symbolic victory (which means nothing).

She wasn't really unprofessional, yeah she was late but then again you are at her mercy. She's getting paid, you want to get paid. :manny: she doesn't have to justify her lateness to you, especially if it's internal business matters. Yeah it's one thing if she was sleeping or talking and laughing with coworkers checking Facebook or some frivolous shyt, but lets be honest that likely wasn't the case.

At the end of the day you still need or want a job, whether this event is enough to turn you off from the offer or the company is on you and that isn't a problem, but this internal conflict you have about being right or having been wronged is silly in my opinion.
Its the issue of being late and not knowing about the delay/me emailing her in the afternoon to find out about it when you knew since that morning.

If it one or the other id be a little cautious but both?
Its like I said in the op the job has been up since feb and you find out about a hiring delay in may in your department?
 
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A few things:

1) Doesn’t matter that the supervisor was late. If that was that big a turnoff, don’t go thru w/ the interview or follow up afterwards. That’s like when people want their meals comped because they had to wait longer than normal for a table - da fugg u still here for then lil nikka?
:dahell:

1A) It’s very difficult to successfully “ding” a higher up for being late to a meeting. You don’t know the situation. They may have had an urgent confidential WORK RELATED issue to tend to, coulda had meetings with HIGHER higher ups that went long. Entry level people trying to make a thing of this is never a good look.

2) Unless you have some other $hit lined up already DO NOT tell them you’re not sure if you can accept a POTENTIAL offer....NO NO NO. You’re essentially $hitting all over the good interview you just gave.

NOBODY at that job is gonna read your unprofessional email and go “uh oh, he’s puttin is on a deadline, we better get our $hit together before we lose him!” That was such a wasted communication. Out of pocket for sure.

You do not have the leverage to be doin this $hit.

On the real side tho, let this be a learning experience bro.

yea sorry OP but all of this, especially the bolded. I don't think your email was unprofessional but they probably bushed you after reading the second email.
 

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communication is half the battle....


Yup. It's not that one hand doesn't know what they other one is doing. Just during the back and forth something usually gets fumbled or the timing is off. For whatever reason the communication isn't there.

We are/were hiring. Internal positions, the monkey ass person took off the typing test for last round hires then posted it to the public :snoop: then this round which was for public candidate and of course open to internals they put the typing test as mandatory :snoop: so now people there 20 years have to complete a typing assessment just to change roles or switch departments.....:snoop:

Then they do shyt like only accept 5 people from the public and when it's all said and done only 1 makes it through the process, only to quit or fail training. Then they try to call other people back like "you still interested :mjgrin:?"
Or they tell internals, they can't keep the same hours and days off, planned vacation..then when the number of internals drops to like 1 or 2 they say ":whoa: OK OK OK, you can have the same days off and schedule" then the internals who backed out are like :martin:.
 
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