Did The Feminist Movement Destroy Relationships/Marriages in America?

[...and some waffle fries]

When you think about it how can a women be so independent but be in a relationship/marriage? We have the highest divorce rates. 10 yrs of marriage is just a formality at this point because they taking half. All this I want to be equal stuff has put a monkey wrench in the family structure. You cant have 2 quarterbacks. Everybody has a role, but somebody has to lead. Niccas from different countries let them know it's a double standard and that's just the way it is, and women follow it. What y'all think?

 

[colicolicoli]

I wish we could get a relationships subforum to move all these garbo threads to.

 

[Emperor Sol]

What kind of a question is that?

Did Nas get his head molested by some homo ass nikka in the background while he was rapping way back?

Was Kobe accused of rape?

Did R Kelly piss on another human being?

Come on, playa.

 

[Wallie]

No.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

if anything, it prolly showed that relationships need to be reevaluated. marriages mighta lasted but women weren't happy back then

 

[Emperor Sol]

No.

Marriage rates are at an all time low after the feminist movement



Divorce rates are at an all time high as well

 

[Arcavian]

Marriage rates are at an all time low after the feminist movement



Divorce rates are at an all time high as well

That doesnt make it the cause though

 

[Sam Peel]

I see it all the time

 

[The Real]

No.

Marriage rates are at an all time low after the feminist movement



Divorce rates are at an all time high as well

That's correlation, not causation. Even if it was causation, though, you'd have to establish that it was the feminist movements' fault and not the men's fault. You'd also have to establish that the divorces and low marriage rates were in themselves a bad thing, and not the result of women gaining the social freedom not to endure unsatisfactory relationships. The reasons divorce rates are so low in many places are that women are culturally prohibited from it, even when the husband is abusive or a loser.

 

[Emperor Sol]

That doesnt make it the cause though

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The pioneers of the feminist movement and very prominent feminists in America would like to have a word with you

"Only with the occasional celebrity crime do we allow ourselves to think the nearly unthinkable: that the family may not be the ideal and perfect living arrangement after all - that it can be a nest of pathology and a cradle of gruesome violence,... Even in the ostensibly "functional," nonviolent family, where no one is killed or maimed, feelings are routinely bruised and often twisted out of shape. There is the slap or the put-down that violates a child's shaky sense of self, the cold, distracted stare that drives a spouse to tears, the little digs and rivalries...
Barbara Ehrenreich in Time Magazine

"The nuclear family is a hotbed of violence and depravity."
Gordon Fitch

"How will the family unit be destroyed? ...[T]he demand alone will throw the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become economically independent, either through a job or welfare."
Roxanne Dunbar in Female Liberation

"The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together.... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.... No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children... Families will be finally destroyed only when a revolutionary social and economic organization permits people's needs for love and security to be met in ways that do not impose divisions of labor, or any external roles, at all."
Linda Gordon, "Functions of the Family," WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969

 

[Wallie]

Marriage rates are at an all time low after the feminist movement



Divorce rates are at an all time high as well

So. The only reason why the divorce rates weren't high before the feminist movement is because a lot of women couldn't take care of themselves and divorce was frowned upon.

Women were treated like shyt back then.

 

[...and some waffle fries]

I wish we could get a relationships subforum to move all these garbo threads to.

Feminists movement got you 2?

*pulls out chair and gives him a Kleenex*

It's alright bruh. Come tell us about it. Leave out the detail where she put that dildo in yo ass tho. TMI.

 

[zerozero]

I think it might have empowered men and women to look at relationships in a different way, sure.

But family changes as society changes. Once upon a time we all lived with all our extended family in the same general area... the idea of 'man + women + kids' (instead of uncles, aunts, cousins, grandparents all together) is a 'destroyed' family to some degree

I don't think feminism is something that destabilizes human societies any more than other civil rights do. It might change the order but the goal is happiness for everyone.

In essence what I'm saying is think deeply and let me know whether you think the reason the divorce rate is high is because of feminism or because the relationship wasn't working out anyway. Look at how blue/more feminist states have lower divorce rates than christian, patriarchal red states.. maybe the liberals and feminists have figured out something about how to have long term relationships

 

[DrunkenNovice]

This is gonna go round n round. Especially once someone brings gender roles up.

Short answer is yes it did.

 

[The Real]

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Those quotes are cherrypicked, and you could spin the Civil Rights movement in exactly the same way if you only look for extremist quotes, but even then, they're cherrypicked badly. Many of those quotes are absolutely true. For example:

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
Hillary Clinton, First Ladies' Conference on Domestic Violence in San Salvador, El Salvador on Nov. 17, 1998

This is a fact, and let's also not forget that rape is rampant during wartime, and women are the primary victims of wartime rapes. ^

"Patriarchy requires violence or the subliminal threat of violence in order to maintain itself... The most dangerous situation for a woman is not an unknown man in the street, or even the enemy in wartime, but a husband or lover in the isolation of their home." Gloria Steinem in Revolution from Within: A Book of Self-Esteem, pp. 259-61..

This is a fact.^ The vast majority of rapes and abuse against women happens not from strangers, but from family members and intimate partners (boyfriends, husbands.)

"The newest variations on this distressingly ancient theme center on hormones and DNA: men are biologically aggressive; their fetal brains were awash in androgen; their DNA, in order to perpetuate itself, hurls them into murder and rape."
Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 114..

This is true.^ Some men like to claim that it's their nature to be violent, abusive, to cheat on women, etc, when that's not really a scientific fact. DNA is no excuse for that kind of behavior.

"Feminists have long criticized marriage as a place of oppression, danger, and drudgery for women.
Barbara Findlen, "Is Marriage the Answer? Ms Magazine, May - June, 1995

Nothing wrong with this one, either.^ Marriage was often oppressive to women back then. They didn't have a choice in the role they were to play. That's why it needed to be criticized.