Did we ever get to the bottom of Ross' sudden improvement post-2008?

[AmirMuhannad]

Squad Up tapes was at the start of the Millennium up to C1. fukk you sayin? Just admit you don't know what you talking about and keep thinking "C3" is Wayne's best album.

Since you have no real point you wanna put words in my mouth? When did I say The Carter 3 was his best album. Thought so.
Even if I made that claim, my point would still stand. Weezy wasn't really respected as an emcee by real heads till after he switched his style after hanging with Santana and them Dip Set n*ggas and stepped his game up drastically. We talking about '04/ '05. I been messing with CM since the late 90ties so I know WTF I'm talking about.

Like I said before stop with the revisionist sh*t. If you want me to reply to you again you need to step your postgame up after this.

 

[AmirMuhannad]

What do you mean around the millenium? You said he went from "wobble wobble" on back that ass up which dropped in '98 to C3. The verse I posted dropped in '97. So, again, no he didn't go from that to C3. He was always nice.

Alot of real heads would say otherwise but let's just say we have a different definition of nice. Let's agree to disagree on this one. I'm out.......

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

Alot of real heads would say otherwise but let's just say we have a different definition of nice. Let's agree to disagree on this one. I'm out.......

Dude said "Fukk this shyt, I'm out"

 

[Poitier]

Since you have no real point you wanna put words in my mouth? When did I say The Carter 3 was his best album. Thought so.
Even if I made that claim, my point would still stand. Weezy wasn't really respected as an emcee by real heads till after he switched his style after hanging with Santana and them Dip Set n*ggas and stepped his game up drastically. We talking about '04/ '05. I been messing with CM since the late 90ties so I know WTF I'm talking about.

Like I said before stop with the revisionist sh*t. If you want me to reply to you again you need to step your postgame up after this.

"Real heads" wtf. Who is that? NY nikkas and people outside the South? How you even measure that? You took a poll for every year up until 2005 and 2006 (not 2004) when Wayne was with Dipset? You said Wayne went from his Back Tha Azz Up Bounce inspired verse to C3 which isn't close to true. If you and "real heads" believe that then you stupid. Just admit you never heard a SQ tape or any of his first 3 solos.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

Na, he went from this


@ 3:12

"See I want millions, hundreds and big thousands
Tryna rain clout in third ward public housin'
Uptown streets is where all my ends meet
Give me 9 9 G tryna see my destiny
I do it all to ball drop the phone if I call
See I'm livin' real large even though I'm real small
But don't let that fool ya
Money rules everything around me
Creepin up silent behind ya that's where ya find me
I ain't hear for a lil
I want the whole damn spot
I cock my glock and have ya plot so I turn out to the top
nikka be funny' with money
Things you doin', I done done it
9 9 point 5 mil big deals keep it comin
Slugs hummin' chopper gunnin catch the vapor from the laser
Infrared fled big bread money maker
Pop a slug barrell shaker for big paper
Big ballin' life taker for big cake
Ben Franklin, bank teller thinkin big bankin
Busta gankin, left stankin' ship sankin'
Ain't no such thing if i see another nikka come up
But if I don't know that other nikka, then his come up is my stuff
Call it a bluff if you want, but come and test for ya own
See how quick model homes leave home and visit rome
Roam to the top, slip up and get buck
Get out my way, fo' I spray
I'm tryin' to live up"

to C3. Dude was never weak. lol @ you thinking wobbledy wobbledy was his high point before C3.

These youngin don't know. Wayne was killin shyt before he ever dropped an album. Dude was murdering his features on all of those CMR releases outshining all them nikkaz. Muthafukas ain't start payin attention until Squad Up and his Ether freestyle which was after his SECOND album...smh.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

And for the record I ain't fukked with a Wayne album since Carter1 and outside of the mixtape with Upgrade You on there and No Ceilings Wayne has been mediocre. Dudes best days are when the Hot Boy$ where around.

 

[Zach Lowe]

It's obvious that Ross uses ghostwriters sometimes

On Accident Murderers he sounds exactly like Wale

On Free Mason he sounds like Jay Electronica

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I think it's pretty obvious he started getting good help from ghostwriters in the studio with him once he got established as a marketable artist, just like Kanye and probably Wayne a bunch of other rappers. I think he goes to the studio and has other writers with him and he lays out a rough draft and they're like "nah don't say this, say that," and basically help him make his verses more witty and lyrical. That's probably the case for most mainstream rappers nowadays.

 

[AmirMuhannad]

I think it's pretty obvious he started getting good help from ghostwriters in the studio with him once he got established as a marketable artist, just like Kanye and probably Wayne a bunch of other rappers. I think he goes to the studio and has other writers with him and he lays out a rough draft and they're like "nah don't say this, say that," and basically help him make his verses more witty and lyrical. That's probably the case for most mainstream rappers nowadays.

Yeah I think most of these mainstream rappers are using writing pools. A legend like Snoop flat out admitted to him using ghostwriters years ago.

 

[Poitier]

I think it's pretty obvious he started getting good help from ghostwriters in the studio with him once he got established as a marketable artist, just like Kanye and probably Wayne a bunch of other rappers. I think he goes to the studio and has other writers with him and he lays out a rough draft and they're like "nah don't say this, say that," and basically help him make his verses more witty and lyrical. That's probably the case for most mainstream rappers nowadays.

Ghost and Rae been said the whole Wu did this for each other, sometimes writing whole verses and hooks for each other. Nas, Large Pro, and all them QB nikkas did the same. Jay adding dudes to his team and biting their style is well documented. Theres a video of Eminem where he says he would edit G Unit verses to make them sound better. Its always been like this.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

I think it's pretty obvious he started getting good help from ghostwriters in the studio with him once he got established as a marketable artist, just like Kanye and probably Wayne a bunch of other rappers. I think he goes to the studio and has other writers with him and he lays out a rough draft and they're like "nah don't say this, say that," and basically help him make his verses more witty and lyrical. That's probably the case for most mainstream rappers nowadays.

Your last sentence summed it up perfectly. This is what 90% of these rappers do whether it's directly or indirectly. You think Jada don't be writin or spitin in the booth and Sheek or Styles be like "naw man say this", Jay and Beans prolly did it Mase and Big, Pac and whoever etc. shyt DOC did that shyt for Snoop in his DR days, you get spitters around you and it's going to happen. shyt I listen to tracks sometimes and say "damn he should have put this in there" and I ain't even a fukkin rapper lol.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Yeh his jump from Trilla to Deeper than Rap is incredible

Yup, I only gave that album a listen due to an old head friend of mine dapping it. I gave it a spin and was impressed. The ladies tracks suck...but everything else is dope, and dude is actually spitting some crazy shyt over smooth ass beats.

DTR is some damn good riding music...

 

[AmirMuhannad]

Ghost and Rae been said the whole Wu did this for each other, sometimes writing whole verses and hooks for each other. Nas, Large Pro, and all them QB nikkas did the same. Jay adding dudes to his team and biting their style is well documented. Theres a video of Eminem where he says he would edit G Unit verses to make them sound better. Its always been like this.

Yeah I like Jay Z but he even bit Chris' adlibs. Prodigy admitted in his book Havoc wrote his rhymes in the earlier stages of their career. This has been happening since forever.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

To answer your question though I really think his production got a lot better and that beef wit 50 helped bring something out of him also, competition brings out the best in people...just ask Nas

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Ghost and Rae been said the whole Wu does this for each other, sometimes writing whole verses and hooks for each other. Nas, Large Pro, and all them QB nikkas did the same. Jay adding dudes to his team and biting their style is well documented. Its always been like this.

I think the extent to which it occurs is key though. Wu-Tang all had very distinctive styles. Even if they were in the studio sharing lines and suggestions (I know how that is, I've recorded in a studio with others several times myself), you know Wu wasn't just straight up ghostwriting for each other because each have very distinctive rhymes styles unique from each other. You can read Wu verses on paper without hearing them and tell who wrote it. A Meth verse sounds nothing like a Deck verse, sounds nothing like a Ghost verse, etc.

Ross' subject matter stayed the same, but his entire style of lyricism formulaically changed for the better on the Deeper Than Rap album and that raises some eyebrows. His lyrics got more clever and incorporated more abstract thought overnight it seems. That verse on Told Y'all that @Bugsmoran posted, he was fast rapping and rhyming a lot of syllables and what not, but it was still basic rappity-rapping shyt. There wasn't the type of thought behind it as you would see in verses like this...

I got a feelin nikka, really that my money be the root
Look up at the stars, she like, "Honey, where the roof?"
Pull up, hear the dogs, Canaries, they goin woof
Even once had a job pourin' tar up on a roof
Dat boy had it hard, no facade, it's the truth
So now when I menage and get massaged it's the proof
Proof's in the pudding and that baking soda takin'
Paper that I'm makin' got her takin' photos naked
Listenin' to nikkas like whistlin' at Wendy Williams
I flip my middle finger, I'm chillin' on twenty million
The rumors turn me on, I'm masturbatin' at the top
These hoes so excited, so they catchin' every drop
I'm dodgin' debacles like potholes in Jamaica
We cut down the weed, bury the paper on the 'maicas
Martin had a dream, Bob got high
I still do both but somehow I got by
Creflo prayed, Mike Vick paid
Bobby Brown straight, Whitney lost weight
Kimbo Slice on the pad when I write
That Mayweather money lookin' funny in the light
But who really cares? We just throw it in the air
Celebratin' wealth, pourin' Moet in her hair
Excuse me, her weave, the bluest of weed
Trunk full of white, car smell like blue cheese
That boy get salad, beef bowel movements
BMWs on them big thangs lookin' foolish
Shawty sittin low, big thangs poppin'
Tip on the Glock from a Crip up in Compton
Shootin' at the cops, fukk one-time
I gave her to the block, I fukked one time
We Boyz N The Hood and nikka you Lil' Tre
Suppress ya appetite, we takin' ya lil' tray
Love my handgun, but my choppa still the shyt
Banned in 1994 but I'm "2 Legit 2 Quit"
1996, kilos was the shyt
But that was better than roofin, that shyt be bad fo' ya skin
nikkas was ruthless, Lord knows that I sin
But I thought about my future and the loops I could pin
Walked out on the gig and I turned to the streets
Kept my name low-key, I ain't heard from in weeks
I came up wit a strategy to come up mathematically
I did it for the city but now everybody mad at me
Motherfukk 'em all, they sweat from my balls
If I drop another album, I did that for my dawgs
Ten Maybachs everybody ridin' big
I just sit back like 'Look what I did'
Then I bow my head and beg for forgiveness
Once I said my prayer, everybody back to business
Smokin' on a blunt in my own restaurant
People lookin' from a distance think I'm Big Daddy Conch
Reincarnated, spirit of a G
Beef I'll make you dinner, take a seat so we could eat
A Farrakhan aura, pause on the pork
You eat from the bowl, while your dog need a fork
nikkas ain't loyal, snakes slithered in they coil
I'm laughin' at you cuz, kill you nikkas when I'm bored (yeah!)
We steppin' on you crew 'til them motherfukkers crush
And makin' sweet love to every women dat ya lust

I'm sorry, but that reads like an entirely different person wrote most of that than any of his earlier shyt. Unless Ross started taking creative writing classes and studying literature hard at a university around 2007. I don't know.