Did we ever get to the bottom of Ross' sudden improvement post-2008?

[Mr. Negative]

Na, he went from this


@ 3:12

"See I want millions, hundreds and big thousands
Tryna rain clout in third ward public housin'
Uptown streets is where all my ends meet
Give me 9 9 G tryna see my destiny
I do it all to ball drop the phone if I call
See I'm livin' real large even though I'm real small
But don't let that fool ya
Money rules everything around me
Creepin up silent behind ya that's where ya find me
I ain't hear for a lil
I want the whole damn spot
I cock my glock and have ya plot so I turn out to the top
nikka be funny' with money
Things you doin', I done done it
9 9 point 5 mil big deals keep it comin
Slugs hummin' chopper gunnin catch the vapor from the laser
Infrared fled big bread money maker
Pop a slug barrell shaker for big paper
Big ballin' life taker for big cake
Ben Franklin, bank teller thinkin big bankin
Busta gankin, left stankin' ship sankin'
Ain't no such thing if i see another nikka come up
But if I don't know that other nikka, then his come up is my stuff
Call it a bluff if you want, but come and test for ya own
See how quick model homes leave home and visit rome
Roam to the top, slip up and get buck
Get out my way, fo' I spray
I'm tryin' to live up"

to C3. Dude was never weak. lol @ you thinking wobbledy wobbledy was his high point before C3.

let it go, breh. nikkas is always gonna be on some

" b-but he said "wobbedy wobbedy' shyt.

Wayne has ALWAYS been spitting circles around Turk... but lacked BG's authentic/realness and Juvie's charisma.

 

[AmirMuhannad]

To answer your question though I really think his production got a lot better and that beef wit 50 helped bring something out of him also, competition brings out the best in people...just ask Nas

Agree with the bolded but out of that lil' on wax beef Banks had the hardest disstrack. None of Ross' disstracks were memorable. He has (re)made the same track after BMF's success. BMF = MC Hammer > 9Piece etc. That Nas comparison is out of place IMO.

 

[Poitier]

Nah man, I read an interview, I think for OB4CL, where the Wu straight up admitted to writing verses for each other. Of course they wrote it in mind for that person so Ghost writing a Meth verse wouldn't be obvious.

 

[AmirMuhannad]

I think the extent to which it occurs is key though. Wu-Tang all had very distinctive styles. Even if they were in the studio sharing lines and suggestions (I know how that is, I've recorded in a studio with others several times myself), you know Wu wasn't just straight up ghostwriting for each other because each have very distinctive rhymes styles unique from each other. You can read Wu verses on paper without hearing them and tell who wrote it. A Meth verse sounds nothing like a Deck verse, sounds nothing like a Ghost verse, etc.

Ross' subject matter stayed the same, but his entire style of lyricism formulaically changed for the better on the Deeper Than Rap album and that raises some eyebrows. His lyrics got more clever and incorporated more abstract thought overnight it seems. That verse on Told Y'all that @Bugsmoran posted, he was fast rapping and rhyming a lot of syllables and what not, but it was still basic rappity-rapping shyt. There wasn't the type of thought behind it as you would see in verses like this...



I'm sorry, but that reads like an entirely different person wrote most of that any of his earlier shyt. Unless Ross started taking creative writing classes and studying literature hard at a university around 2007.

Alot of these Southern rappers dumb their sh*t down to appeal to their fans. These fans don't wanna hear anything lyrical for the most part. You can even see it in this thread. What these derelict n*ggas see as nice was mediocre or borderline wack at best. They want some sh*t they can ride to. They want a rapper spitting simple a*s sh*t talking slow or chanting Rover a bass heavy beat. When Ross reinvented himself in '06 he tried to appeal to those fans.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

Agree with the bolded but out of that lil' on wax beef Banks had the hardest disstrack. None of Ross' disstracks were memorable. He has (re)made the same track after BMF's success. BMF = MC Hammer > 9Piece etc. That Nas comparison is out of place IMO.

Mafia Music and Mafia Music remix wasn't memorable? Were you in Europe or Saudi Arabia in '09? Ain't no one remember any goddamn banks track from that beef



"David beat goliaffffffffffff

Triple black Benz, Lord, forgive me for my sins
I put hits on all you nikkaz, includin some old friends
Money come and go, but the trill will remain
bytch, I keep it real like I'm still dealin 'caine
Realest shyt I wrote and I put this on this quote
Befo' I had a flow, I had a kilogram of coke
Money on the flo', twenty homies on the books
Fat mob boss but I'm runnin wit the crooks
No need for a vest, that'll suffocate the flesh
I'm Martin on the balcony anticipatin death (death!)
Let the rifles sing, 'cause "I have a dream"
My Coretta Scott-King in the tub fulla cream
Pink champange seem to take away the pain
While the blue hollow points penetratin all the lames (lames)
Money ain't a thang - bytch, that's a lie!
It only controls every bytch that's alive
Money manifests, haters gotta die (die!)
Tia never told you that dat motherfukker rides
nikkaz takin sides, crack smokin wives
Crackin crabs at the tables, count the cash, crack the wine
Snakes gotta feel it, beef never squashed (never)
This time I'm embark on my Million Man March
I'm unorthodox, name me the victor
In the suite wit Shaniqua and that brain off the Richter
Marquise knocks, Marquise stop
Then I give him +50 Cents+, that's Marquise's pops
I put a milli on it, p*ssy don't want it
Show up in his hood wit the wolves by the mornin
nikka, that's a gift, maybe you could live
My music is the mob, it is what it is
Strapped to a T, it's real as it gets
Only boss gettin money wit the Bloods and the Crips
Amen..."

 

[AmirMuhannad]

Mafia Music and Mafia Music remix wasn't memorable? Were you in Europe or Saudi Arabia in '09? Ain't no one remember any goddamn banks track from that beef



"David beat goliaffffffffffff

Triple black Benz, Lord, forgive me for my sins
I put hits on all you nikkaz, includin some old friends
Money come and go, but the trill will remain
bytch, I keep it real like I'm still dealin 'caine
Realest shyt I wrote and I put this on this quote
Befo' I had a flow, I had a kilogram of coke
Money on the flo', twenty homies on the books
Fat mob boss but I'm runnin wit the crooks
No need for a vest, that'll suffocate the flesh
I'm Martin on the balcony anticipatin death (death!)
Let the rifles sing, 'cause "I have a dream"
My Coretta Scott-King in the tub fulla cream
Pink champange seem to take away the pain
While the blue hollow points penetratin all the lames (lames)
Money ain't a thang - bytch, that's a lie!
It only controls every bytch that's alive
Money manifests, haters gotta die (die!)
Tia never told you that dat motherfukker rides
nikkaz takin sides, crack smokin wives
Crackin crabs at the tables, count the cash, crack the wine
Snakes gotta feel it, beef never squashed (never)
This time I'm embark on my Million Man March
I'm unorthodox, name me the victor
In the suite wit Shaniqua and that brain off the Richter
Marquise knocks, Marquise stop
Then I give him +50 Cents+, that's Marquise's pops
I put a milli on it, p*ssy don't want it
Show up in his hood wit the wolves by the mornin
nikka, that's a gift, maybe you could live
My music is the mob, it is what it is
Strapped to a T, it's real as it gets
Only boss gettin money wit the Bloods and the Crips
Amen..."

I liked Mafia Music mainly because of the beat. Out of all those disstracks they traded Ross never topped Banks' joint. Line for line Banks > Ross anyday and Ross would tell you that FOH.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

I liked Mafia Music mainly because of the beat. Out of all those disstracks they traded Ross never topped Banks' joint. Line for line Banks > Ross anyday and Ross would tell you that FOH.
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Ain't no one checking for that boring ass sounding nikka.

 

[T-K-G]

These youngin don't know. Wayne was killin shyt before he ever dropped an album. Dude was murdering his features on all of those CMR releases outshining all them nikkaz. Muthafukas ain't start payin attention until Squad Up and his Ether freestyle which was after his SECOND album...smh.

it can't even be about age at this point breh i was born in 92 and by 99 me and everyone else i knew was listenin to that shyt cuz of the older nikkas that was around us. wayne was always hot


that nikka just been livin under a rock and jumped on wayne the same time the cacs did

 

[AkaDemiK]

It's obvious that Ross uses ghostwriters sometimes

On Accident Murderers he sounds exactly like Wale

On Free Mason he sounds like Jay Electronica

nikka shut up

 

[Zach Lowe]

nikka shut up

u angered bcuz Jay Electronica wrote Proclamation and Queens Get the Money

it's ok

 

[Monoblock]

I've always been more impressed with Wayne's improvement than Ross's. Wayne literally went from being the weak link in the Hot Boyz to killing the mixtape scene in the same decade

Weak link of the HBs? Wayne? Nah you obviously got him and Turk mixed up.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

it can't even be about age at this point breh i was born in 92 and by 99 me and everyone else i knew was listenin to that shyt cuz of the older nikkas that was around us. wayne was always hot


that nikka just been livin under a rock and jumped on wayne the same time the cacs did

I hope that shyt is the truth because if nikkaz listened to Wayne back then and think he was garbage they need their hearing checked.

 

[My Girl is Bow Legged]

The answer is JUSTICE League

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

The answer is JUSTICE League

That nikkaz production has been crazy ever since DTR (1st Ross album that I ever listened to as a whole) but when I checked out Trilla and POM I was surprised as hell. I always wrote dude off because he talked about cocaine so heavy and I knew he was a fraud but when he started beefin wit 50 I had to check for him and IMO he has never dropped a did, dudes discography is on some other shyt. His production did get better and his shyt does sound a lot smoother when he stays away from the "trap rap".

 

[Malik]

this is when i start to like ross...i thought it was better then lollipop when they first came out

2008 was a great year