Didn't kno Timbo samples a lot

[Black_Jesus]

I've acknowledged at least half a dozen times in this thread the fact that sampling was originally a prominent element of hip-hop and that it's still prominent.

The fact that early producers leaned so heavily on intellectual property theft does not make that theft any more palatable today.

Look, the game of basketball used to be played on peach baskets. We got rims and shyt now. The average NBA player used to be 5'10 with a 16" vertical. Today we have LeBron and Kobe and shyt.

I pay homage to all the pioneers and all that good shyt but the fact is the genre is more advanced today and there are dudes talented enough to create real original music. That being said, there is no excuse to perpetuate the sample bullshyt in today's production. It's a crutch we no longer need.

It's time for those who truly care about the genre to draw a line in the sand and enforce responsibility with regard to the craft. That's my opinion.

1st of all, how can you say "I pay homage to the pioneers" Then in the very next sentence call what they did bullshyt production??

2nd of all, you can throw that bullshyt anology straight in the bushes how you gon compare hiphop which is an art form to basketball.. a hundred year old sport??

Do you also knock DJ's too?? (which most producers are) Do you even know what a DJ does?? That don't take skill either right??

I guess you knock MCs that don't use a metaphor on every single bar too right?? Because they need to evolve??

 

[Smile Gang]

1st of all, how can you say "I pay homage to the pioneers" Then in the very next sentence call what they did bullshyt production??

2nd of all, you can throw that bullshyt anology straight in the bushes how you gon compare hiphop which is an art form to basketball.. a hundred year old sport??

Do you also knock DJ's too?? (which most producers are) Do you even know what a DJ does?? That don't take skill either right??

I guess you knock MCs that don't use a metaphor on every single bar too right?? Because they need to evolve??

Hip hop and basketball both evolved. That is the valid comparison. I can respect old school hip-hop as well as old school basketball and still acknowledge that the game has changed with regard to both.

I can give Bob Cousy his props all day. That doesn't mean I can't turn around and say D. Rose has more skills and resources at his disposal than Couse ever did and thus a higher threshold of accountability with regard to his performance.

Just because certain shyt was tolerated in the dark ages of hip-hop doesn't mean it should still be tolerated today. It's okay to move on and say, "Yo, people did X-Y-Z we let the shyt fly but we want to focus on integrity going forward." The only people in here so vehemently denying the idea I suspect are butt-hurt aspiring sample producers who couldn't produce their way out of a paper bag without the assistance of someone else's intellectual property.

Lastly, y'all kill me with this "I know your whole life story mister anonymous internet poster" shyt y'all do on here

I don't know what a DJ does?

Ok sir.

I could be Timbaland's mother, Elmo, Shawty Redd, a Core DJ or The Candyman for all you know slim. Your offered speculations on what I know aren't getting your arguments any further. They only show a desperation generated by the inability to make valid or cogent points in the discussion and really add nothing to it.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Hip hop and basketball both evolved. That is the valid comparison. I can respect old school hip-hop as well as old school basketball and still acknowledge that the game has changed with regard to both.

I can give Bob Cousy his props all day. That doesn't mean I can't turn around and say D. Rose has more skills and resources at his disposal than Couse ever did and thus a higher threshold of accountability with regard to his performance.

Just because certain shyt was tolerated in the dark ages of hip-hop doesn't mean it should still be tolerated today. It's okay to move on and say, "Yo, people did X-Y-Z we let the shyt fly but we want to focus on integrity going forward." The only people in here so vehemently denying the idea I suspect are butt-hurt aspiring sample producers who couldn't produce their way out of a paper bag without the assistance of someone else's intellectual property.

Lastly, y'all kill me with this "I know your whole life story mister anonymous internet poster" shyt y'all do on here

I don't know what a DJ does?

Ok sir.

I could be Timbaland's mother, Elmo, Shawty Redd, a Core DJ or The Candyman for all you know slim. Your offered speculations on what I know. aren't getting your arguments any further. They only show a desperation generated by the inability to make valid or cogent points in the discussion and really add nothing to it.

Basketball evolved how?? You dribble the ball and put it through the hoop to score points... Sure there has been rule alterations like every sport, but its pretty much the same.. So when Wade throws a oop to LeBron according to you that's the same as that term you pulled straight from your ass called "intellectual property theft" since Wade didn't create the alley oop mov, or behind the back pass... LeBron didn't create dunking but he jumps his ass in the air and each time modifys how he slams the ball through the hoop.. every single nba star you see in the league is copying what they've seen on TV and modifying it.. But its wrong for this to be done in hiphop according to you... .. Every single analogy you've tried to make in this thread is flawed like someone else already pointed out...


And breh I don't need to know your whole life story to know you're dumb as fukk when it comes to this subject.. saying dumb shyt like "the dark ages of hip hop" describing old school hip hop.. you make yourself look even more stupid with every post desperately trying to defend your idiotic opinion.. Just take my advice and stop postinh

 

[pon]

im gonna make this straight to the point...Timbo is one of my favs but he carries himself as if he is original in his compositions, that is why the vid may come as a surprise to alot of people but not to me...

timbo is an obscure digger, im gonna try find the sample he lifted from a movie for that nas and aliyah track from his i am album...i just find timbo to be hypocritcal at time since he made comment about other producers who sample..

 

[Smile Gang]

Basketball evolved how?? You dribble the ball and put it through the hoop to score points... Sure there has been rule alterations like every sport, but its pretty much the same.. So when Wade throws a oop to LeBron according to you that's the same as that term you pulled straight from your ass called "intellectual property theft" since Wade didn't create the alley oop mov, or behind the back pass... LeBron didn't create dunking but he jumps his ass in the air and each time modifys how he slams the ball through the hoop.. every single nba star you see in the league is copying what they've seen on TV and modifying it.. But its wrong for this to be done in hiphop according to you... .. Every single analogy you've tried to make in this thread is flawed like someone else already pointed out...


And breh I don't need to know your whole life story to know you're dumb as fukk when it comes to this subject.. saying dumb shyt like "the dark ages of hip hop" describing old school hip hop.. you make yourself look even more stupid with every post desperately trying to defend your idiotic opinion.. Just take my advice and stop postinh

The analogy is far from flawed, alley-oops aren't copyrighted. Also, when Le-Bron goes up for an oop it's Bron going up for an oop it's not Bron sending George Mikan up for an oop. When these sampler's make beat's it's not 9th Wonder going up for an oop it's 9th Wonder sending Otis Redding up for an oop. There's a difference there, that once again is fairly obvious to a relatively low level eye.

And, I'm not alone in thinking that 1980's shyt when sampling first came into play was the dark ages of hip-hop relative to today. All that means is that it was pre-enlightenment. Are producers today not privy to more knowledge and resources than the guys who first started out making beats that were just sampled to death by the mere virtue of the passage of time and more exposure to the genre if nothing else?

All that "making myself look stupid" shyt, I'm good with that. That's the same thing the other dumb-ass said earlier when he couldn't refute any of my points. That "take my advice and stop posting" is quitter tactic #182 and basically synonymous with "I don't have anything really valid or constructive I can say to refute anything that you're saying."

Johnny Cochran couldn't get a W for you advocates of music theft and creative rape on this one because right is right and wrong is wrong point blank. So no matter what you say it's going to come off as an L.

At the end of the day the best/most on topic arguments of you and your ilk thus far have been:

1) Stealing music is okay because it's a part of hip hop history.
2) Stealing music is okay because the process of stealing music and re-using it is a craft that requires some skill.

Both of those arguments are bullshyt and will continue to be bullshyt despite whatever other side-eye irrelevant shyt you try to throw into the conversation.

 

[DeVanteSwing]

it's all preference but if you like your 3 note melody using a synth keyboard with some generic 808 pattern over a cut up sample on the mpc, then that's you

 

[Tom Foolery]

1) Stealing music is okay because it's a part of hip hop history.
2) Stealing music is okay because the process of stealing music and re-using it is a craft that requires some skill.

Please stop using the word steal. Nobody is stealing anything. Buy a dictionary and read it. The word is Plagiarism and if you give credit to the originator, that's not plagiarism.

 

[Olu Dara]

He got sued for put u on the game as well.. one of his illest beats IMO

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/vi...hanna and Farida Jalal-Baghon Mein Bahar Hai/

Crazy how he finds this shyt

 

[Smile Gang]

Please stop using the word steal. Nobody is stealing anything. Buy a dictionary and read it. The word is Plagiarism and if you give credit to the originator, that's not plagiarism.

All instances of use of samples aren't unattributed/unauthorized theft. With regard to Timbaland (the individual in the title of the thread,) some instances are. (Stealing in your dictionary, that is.) Authorized use of samples isn't stealing it's just corny.

 

[Smile Gang]

He got sued for put u on the game as well.. one of his illest beats IMO

 

[Megatron Island]

Sampling is apart of hip-hop, but I don't like "too much" of an original song sampled. Some of those Timbo songs I didn't know were sampled to that degree.

It's why I prefer to listen to Neptunes tracks.







They might sample here and there, certainly not as much as other producers on their main hits, but for the most part their stuff is made from scratch (according to whosampled.com).

I'm not saying a sampled beat can't be dope, but I just appreciate a dope beat from scratch more.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Anytime you hear a beat that has string instruments playing... 9 times out of 10 its a sample cut unless the producer actually plays that specific instrument..... don't know of any producers that personally play the violin

 

[Black_Jesus]

All instances of use of samples aren't unattributed/unauthorized theft. With regard to Timbaland (the individual in the title of the thread,) some instances are. (Stealing in your dictionary, that is.) Authorized use of samples isn't stealing it's just corny.

Well then a very high majority of hip hop throughout its history is corny according to you... Since beat patterns are recycled, drum cadences are recycled, parts of hooks/choruses are recycled... why don't you just go listen to some Beethoven or Jazz music..stay out hiphop threads

 

[Smile Gang]

Well then a very high majority of hip hop throughout its history is corny according to you... Since beat patterns are recycled, drum cadences are recycled, parts of hooks/choruses are recycled... why don't you just go listen to some Beethoven or Jazz music..stay out hiphop threads

 

[Reverend Jesse Jackson]

Do you think all of these trap synth melodies are original?

Sorry man it just baffles my mind how you think pioneers of hip-hop (Premo, Dilla, Pete Rock) are not "creative".