Dirk is better than Charles Barkley, KG and Malone

[Jram]

Better leader
Better shooter
better scorer
can also grab 10 boards on any given night
Better career

Lol.None of this is conclusive at all. It's based on subjective observation.

"Better scorer" - The numbers don't show that
"Can grab 10 boards on a given night" - UNLIKE CHARLES AND KG RIGHT
"Better leader" WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS
"Better career" Maybe, actually, but this doesn't necessarily reflect who the better player is.


The only true and verifiable statement here is that Dirk is a better shooter. That's his game. But having that shill superior to these guys doesn't make him a better overall player. It's like saying that Charles and KG were better post players. Your selecting a skill to highlight and ignoring others that don't suit your point.

 

[Jram]

Dirk beat Kobe, Durant, Wade and Lebron in one playoff run to win the title

Playing the results of titles in individual comparisons is the worst type of argument.

Dirk wasn't even the most productive player in the 2011 Finals. Wade was.

Don't do that. Judge them by production. That's what individuals can control 100%.

 

[Malta]

Dirk is not better than KG. Dirk is the the shooter and scorer, but KG does everything else better.

KG does everything better, except step up in the playoffs apparently.

 

[Texas2step]

Better leader
Better shooter
better scorer
can also grab 10 boards on any given night
Better career

Dirk is the better shooter out of the 3 but that is all. They all was better leaders, Scorers (except for KG), Rebounders, and defenders.

Yes Dirk had a fantastic run in the playoffs that ONE year but that is it. I know because besides Kobe, Dirk was always my favorite player but he choked and played p*ssy so much I couldn't stand to watch him. He didn't earn the name SOFT for nothing. Year after year someone smaller than him would shut him down in the playoffs and treat him like a p*ssy. He always had a good squad filled with allstar players but never could win anything.

For me, that ONE run in the playoffs doesn't erase that bullshyt with the Warriors. How can you lose to a team with almost to no 7 footers and was the last placed team in the Playoffs?

The biggest difference for me is Dirk only responsibility was scoring. He wasn't asked to be a great defender like KG had to be or a rebounder like Barkely had to be. His only focus was on scoring while the others had more responsibilities

 

[Malta]

Dirk is the better shooter out of the 3 but that is all. They all was better leaders, Scorers (except for KG), Rebounders, and defenders.

Yes Dirk had a fantastic run in the playoffs that ONE year but that is it. I know because besides Kobe, Dirk was always my favorite player but he choked and played p*ssy so much I couldn't stand to watch him. He didn't earn the name SOFT for nothing. Year after year someone smaller than him would shut him down in the playoffs and treat him like a p*ssy. He always had a good squad filled with allstar players but never could win anything.

For me, that ONE run in the playoffs doesn't erase that bullshyt with the Warriors. How can you lose to a team with almost to no 7 footers and was the last placed team in the Playoffs?

The biggest difference for me is Dirk only responsibility was scoring. He wasn't asked to be a great defender like KG had to be or a rebounder like Barkely had to be. His only focus was on scoring while the others had more responsibilities

This is the 'ing thing I cannot understand, why are people shytting on Dirk for that, and just neglecting the fact KG doesn't even have 1 memorable playoff run. I mean what the fukk, KG's team couldn't even make the playoffs for a stretch during his damn prime.

And the one time he and Dirk faced off in the playoffs KG got violated on some racial hate crime shyt.

 

[Jram]

This is the 'ing thing I cannot understand, why are people shytting on Dirk for that, and just neglecting the fact KG doesn't even have 1 memorable playoff run. I mean what the fukk, KG's team couldn't even make the playoffs for a stretch during his damn prime.

And the one time he and Dirk faced off in the playoffs KG got violated on some racial hate crime shyt.

Chill. That's a team thing. Dirk played on better teams. As soon as KG got a squad: Championship.

Chill with the team results playing when it comes to individual comparisons unless your going to put it in context.

I can agree that Dirk has been a better postseason player overall, which plays a part, but it's not like KG was bad in the postseason.

 

[Walt]

Exactly. Shuffle the supporting cast every couple of years but keep TD or Dirk as the constant, you've got a 50-60 win, high playoff seed team in a conference stacked with talented squads. Do the same with KG, you got a lot of 7 and 8 seeds and some years no playoffs at all. Put him with Two other Hall of Famers in a weaker conference, they still go the distance in every series against teams they should easily beat on the way to their one title.



Anyone still trying to have the KG vs. TD conversation is a functional retard or a gross stan. The KG vs. Dirk conversation is at least a reasonable one.

KG is the answer to the question "what would it have been like if Pippen had his own team?" Which is no slight, because both he and Pippen are all time talents. But to rank them over more capable #1s is silly.

 

[Malta]

Chill. That's a team thing. Dirk played on better teams. As soon as KG got a squad: Championship.

Chill with the team results playing when it comes to individual comparisons unless your going to put it in context.

I can agree that Dirk has been a better postseason player overall, which plays a part, but it's not like KG was bad in the postseason.

You put KG on that 2011 Mavs team and they don't win the title, because he can not bring the scoring they need to do it. We're talking about superstar players here, team results are a direct result of how they play. These dudes aren't role players or all-stars, SUPERSTARS, he missed the playoffs for 2 years straight while he was in his prime and healthy, name another star player that has that on their mantle.

And KG wasn't bad in the postseason, the issue is he wasn't great either, when his team needed him to get 40, he'd get 22. He's held to a different standard apparently, cause all the other superstars in the league right now have had great runs (multiple) at some point.

 

[Walt]

Chill. That's a team thing. Dirk played on better teams. As soon as KG got a squad: Championship.

Dirk won a title with JJ Barea, Brian Cardinal, DeShawn Stevenson, and Brendan Haywood logging significant minutes throughout the playoffs.

Anyone who pretends Dirk had some stacked team, and that it wasn't amazing to watch the Mavs not just beat but eviscerate teams on the way to a title is nothing but a fukking moron at this point.

KG didn't "get a squad." He joined a squad. That wasn't his team any more than it was Pierce's team. Dalls is Dirk's team, period, always has been. Stop bullshytting.

Not to mention Dirk got cheated out of another title. He has multiple significant playoff runs during which he was the clear #1 player on his team at all times.

 

[Jram]

Dirk won a title with JJ Barea, Brian Cardinal, DeShawn Stevenson, and Brendan Haywood logging significant minutes throughout the playoffs.

Anyone who pretends Dirk had some stacked team, and that it wasn't amazing to watch the Mavs not just beat but eviscerate teams on the way to a title is nothing but a fukking moron at this point.

KG didn't "get a squad." He joined a squad. That wasn't his team any more than it was Pierce's team. Dalls is Dirk's team, period, always has been. Stop bullshytting.

Not to mention Dirk got cheated out of another title. He has multiple significant playoff runs during which he was the clear #1 player on his team at all times.

And he shot 41 percent in the Finals.

Your fixated on playing team results and you ignore that.

Dirk would have left Minny too, so don't sit there and say he 'joined a squad' like it was wrong.

KG was the best player on that 2007-08 title team and it's not even close. He had a PEr of 25 that season and changed them defensively. PP and Ray didn't have as big an impact. They we're really good second and third options though, you need that to win most of the time.

 

[Jram]

You put KG on that 2011 Mavs team and they don't win the title, because he can not bring the scoring they need to do it. We're talking about superstar players here, team results are a direct result of how they play. These dudes aren't role players or all-stars, SUPERSTARS, he missed the playoffs for 2 years straight while he was in his prime and healthy, name another star player that has that on their mantle.

And KG wasn't bad in the postseason, the issue is he wasn't great either, when his team needed him to get 40, he'd get 22. He's held to a different standard apparently, cause all the other superstars in the league right now have had great runs (multiple) at some point.

Yea, they made their run, but so did KG in 2008, and the game isn't only scoring. KG would have been that teams Tyson Chandler AND led them in scoring. By 2010 he was out of his prime, but prime KG?

To the other point, superstars do affect the game more than anyone else, but it's also proven in history that nobody wins without good help, with very few isolated examples, and the 2011 Mavs were one. Props to them.

 

[Malta]

Yea, they made their run, but so did KG in 2008, and the game isn't only scoring. KG would have been that teams Tyson Chandler AND led them in scoring. By 2010 he was out of his prime, but prime KG?

To the other point, superstars do affect the game more than anyone else, but it's also proven in history that nobody wins without good help, with very few isolated examples, and the 2011 Mavs were one. Props to them.

@ KG having some kind of impressive playoff run in 07-08, on what planet?


You mentioned PER in your previous post, here's where it's funny, KG's per was higher in the regular season and would drop during the playoffs, meanwhile Dirk's would go up One guy got noticeably worse when the stakes are raised, and the other got better, yet you trying to sell me on KG being better than Dirk, nah.

 

[Walt]

@ KG having some kind of impressive playoff run in 07-08, on what planet?


You mentioned PER in your previous post, here's where it's funny, KG's per was higher in the regular season and would drop during the playoffs, meanwhile Dirk's would go up One guy got noticeably worse when the stakes are raised, and the other got better, yet you trying to sell me on KG being better than Dirk, nah.

Yeah, at this point one of the only things I'll neg rep is KG stanning at the expense of reality. Cats are willing to upgrade that horrible Mavs supporting cast and downgrade a Celtics team with two hall of famers and a young all star. Incredible.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Can someone explain to me why Tim Duncan and Dirk playoff numbers go up, yet KG with extra minutes in the playoffs sees almost no change? How can we talk about the playoffs being where dudes earn their stripes, yet turn a blind eye to KG not even stepping up his play?


Yeah Dirk has had a bad showing here and there, but where is the great showing from KG, Dirk has more memorable playoff games in a 5 year span than KG has in his fukking career. KG is overrated as hell, dude is the ultimate number 2, could never lead a team anywhere.

nikka has like 9 30 point playoffs games in his ENTIRE career

He's never scored 40 in a playoff game... EVER(rondo has more then him)

It took him until his 6th time in the playoffs to score 30.

KG is not a dominant number one on offense, especially in the Postseason. He's the perfect 2

 

[Houston911]

Cmon man Dirk is really being mentioned with ringless nikkas after the masterpiece he put on a couple years back? He Swept the world champion Lakers, embarrased the up and coming stacked Thunder, then crushed the Miami Heat without anyone being even a fringe all-star. I don't even wanna bring up the individual games, that was probably the best individual playoff run I've ever seen.

Dirk had some bad games in the finals

Hakeem playoff run>>>>>>>>>>>>>>