"Discrimination being alive in 2014 makes the gay struggle worst than the black struggle"-Kerry Wash
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mcdivit85
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As far as the topic, I would need to hear the interview and the context before making severe judgement.
However, I would be hard pressed to find a way to agree with what she said even if spoken in the best-intentioned context. There's simply no way you can compare the discrimination that blacks have faced over the last several years, here and all across the world, to that of gays or maybe any other group period.
And Kerry is not pro-black. Just because someone speaks on a few issues that pertain to their experience being a black person, especially in white circles where they need to be "put on" by said white people, does not a pro-black person make. That comes from frustration of not being accepted to the point to make the moves they want to make. That's called self-interest.
I doubt a pro-black chick would be on a show called "Scandal" where she's basically playing a 21st century Sally Hemmings archetype.
Peace
However, I would be hard pressed to find a way to agree with what she said even if spoken in the best-intentioned context. There's simply no way you can compare the discrimination that blacks have faced over the last several years, here and all across the world, to that of gays or maybe any other group period.
And Kerry is not pro-black. Just because someone speaks on a few issues that pertain to their experience being a black person, especially in white circles where they need to be "put on" by said white people, does not a pro-black person make. That comes from frustration of not being accepted to the point to make the moves they want to make. That's called self-interest.
I doubt a pro-black chick would be on a show called "Scandal" where she's basically playing a 21st century Sally Hemmings archetype.
Peace
Dude, just because we live in a climate where overtly racial wordage is not used in the description of laws and practices does not mean that the application of those laws and practices are not done in a racially motivated and/or racially-focused ways. Is this even a topic for discussion?
I can understand underlining the fact that gays experience discrimination, however the intention behind your statement is misplaced and disingenuous.
From what I see, the major issue that gays face is that of marriage....not being profiled in the streets and not being the target of unfair and prohibitve criminal laws. Not to mention, gay lifestyle being almost celebrated in media and popular television shows to a certain extent. In fact, I would bet that a person would receive a harsher push back from using gay slurs than racial slurs, so please stop.
Peace
If you have the energy to say this, then you can acknowledge that LEGAL barriers do exist.
I personally would never equate the "struggle" since no two "struggles" are the same, but most of this thread is trying to trivialize one experience over another.
Social barriers and inherent bigotry are something that every minority group of any demographic composition will have to engage differently, however acknowledging one does not mean ignoring all the others.
1. The quote and interview does not exist.
2. Sally Hemings was a little 14 year old white girl with distant black heritage who was a slave for an elderly pedophile. Olivia Pope has nothing in common with her. If you're going to compare her to someone real due to the affair storyline angle, Prince Charles' second wife Camilla would be the most accurate. Stop comparing IR between WM/BW with slavery
@BrothaZay had me quoting socrates...Damn, dudes going at it off a made up quote. You can not make this stuff up
i didn't fall for the bait...just stating that i posted the topic in this thread
mcdivit85
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1. The quote and interview does not exist.
2. Sally Hemings was a little 14 year old white girl with distant black heritage who was a slave for an elderly pedophile. Olivia Pope has nothing in common with her. If you're going to compare her to someone real due to the affair storyline angle, Prince Charles' second wife Camilla would be the most accurate. Stop comparing IR between WM/BW with slavery
I'm not comparing WM/BW relationships to slavery. Let's not add words to my statement. And let's definitely refrain from adding insinuation.
I'm saying that the crux of their relationship is power-based...him having power over her and her affairs in one way or another. I was intimating that if she were pro-black, which I do not believe her to be nor do I care if she is, that she would not portray that character for a myriad of reasons. One of which being what I typed. Regardless of whether or not Sally Hemmings is the nearest comparison, the overall archetype remains the same and I'm sure you know that. I'll let you split hairs by yourself on that one.
And no, the relationship between Prince Charles and Camilla is not the best example. Try as anyone might, in this country with its history, racial implications cannot be removed from that storyline. Let's not be negligent with historical context in relation to the topic at hand.
And why are you referring to Olivia Pope like she's a real person? Oh, it must be one of your favorite shows. Maybe you have you broom closet fantasies too. Oh, my bad....I'll be quiet.
Peace
mcdivit85
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Who's ignoring the others facing discrimination though? If I remember correctly, you intimated that you agreed with the title "statement." Somehow that gays have experienced some form of greater discrimination simply because there are laws that stop them from doing certain things. But the only that comes to mind, on a national scale, is marriage.
But where are the Gay Codes? Where are the laws that control the life of gays similar to the way Jim Crow laws controlled the life of blacks? Where are the laws controlling where gays can live and how many can congregate? When have known killers of gays gone free from criminal prosecution on a continuous basis?
Yes, gays experience discrimination, but let's not be intellectually dishonest within the American societal context. Again, that is being disingenuous and disrespectful.
Are you gay? Are you black? I'm not even trying to clown....I'm asking. Because I have hard time believing a straight, black dude would corroborate that statement.
Peace
I can't help but shake my head when people try to compare their struggle to the struggles of black men and women in this country who have and still do experience racism and discrimination. It hurts a tad bit more when it comes from the mouth of a black person. You would think by now we would know better. Our struggle is our struggle. Just like their struggle is theirs. It shouldn't be used to put over negative experiences of others. It cheapens our ability to speak out on the continuous inequality that many continue to face in this country, and also serves as a disservice to our ancestors who paid the price for an opportunity for the generations to follow to succeed, with their own lives. I didn't go through this thread to see who said what, but that's just my 2 cents.
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I would apologize, as I must have confused you with the other members who constantly make slavery comparisons, but then you had to go on and accuse me of having a "broom closest fantasy". I cant stand Olitz, and so does the vast majority of twitter.
The quote is not real.
Box Cutta
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So....this was a troll?
kermit da hustla
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Why isn't this in the race track? 
Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha
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So if the two ppl can't have children then incest is ok? Y not first of kin if they can't bear kids? You can't say love for alln then say no to some