Does YouTuber “Lil Bill” have a problem by claiming that “the struggle” makes your black media political analysis makes you more legit?

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Show an example. Insults and jibs aren’t natural to you so pretending to being some linguist doesn’t come off as unrehearsed as you planned.


Not everything is slavery. You’re better than this.

Why is black elitism bad?
I've already told you. All elitism is bad because if one group is at the top there has to always be another at the bottom

And who do you think that's gonna be based on history? :comeon:
We’ve done that. What don’t we grasp and what are we supposed to do with that information we gain? Do we tolerate it? Do we lower standards? Do we adjust standards? What is supposed to be changed with that information? I mean we can factor in a wider range of opinions, but…to what end? What are you saying here?
The end is to:

1. Recognize the different paths of success to make better recommendations for future generations instead of trying a one size fits all approach

2. Maintain community instead of sewing division between class and education levels. We know a doctor and a bus driver aren't going to make equal pay, but we can still celebrate both for their place in the community. Rich people donate money to the poor. They don't live amongst them or work alongside them. So who does that leave with the chance for the most direct impact?

The everyday person. If they can have a positive impact on a black child or other member of the community, isn't that excellent if it promotes the growth of the next generation?
Someone is going to be making decisions and I’d rather it be people who at least have a closer connection to that community.

Which is it? Elitists aren’t listening or that they’re not persuaded and thus shouldn’t be tolerated? Which is it?

You can be listened to, and still rejected. Happens all the time in court.



Thats not a doctor problem.
I'm talking how poverty is one of the biggest obstacles to education. If kids don't have the resources to make it on the daily through k-12, then isn't it obvious that there would be less in higher education

Reason why you see more seek the arts, trades, or other non-traditional routes. Cause of the lower barriers to entry and because they have closer proximity to those successful in those areas

Simply saying "we need more black kids in xyz" isn't putting money in their pockets to go to college. Its tone deaf
What agenda?


I didn’t say anyone was unremarkable. Im asking what we gain by equating these experiences when one inherently offers more access and freedom to bring back to others?
Your agenda to promote conservatism and elitism to a group of historically marginalized people :comeon:

First you tried to soft shoe your way in by attacking trans people. Which backfired cause people just became annoyed with you rather than supportive

So now you put on your Jay z freeform wig to cry your bleeding lil heart out for the black bourgeoisie whose interest and beliefs align more with the white elite than the black working class

Corrupt politicians like Larry Langford or Eric adams are the types that get thrown in our faces as Black excellence. We're supposed to root for black faces in high places who sell us out for more dollars from white capitalists. I guessing more of their ilk will satisfy you at some point :unimpressed:
This isn’t what you started out by arguing.

I’m asking whats wrong with black elitism. You’re talking about communal benefits.
You want the black elite to rule over the community, so yeah the conversation inherently calls for the question of what's in it for them :skip:
The black people who listen should be rewarded...

Those who dont, may not be quick to be rewarded...
But doesn't this call back to the premise of the thread? Who is authorized to speak on the black community?

Those who were fortunate enough to rise out of it or those directly affected by the socioeconomic struggles that plague?

Personally I feel there's room for all perspectives. Personal experience can still enhance certain conversations depending on the individual's ability to analyze their own
ehhhhhhh

Where is your evidence of this?
By living. Meet more people and maybe you'll see :skip:

I've learned from everybody regardless of their standing in life. There's good and bad in everyone. Just gotta take what works for you
Why struggle to be ordinary?
Ordinary people matter

Some will be ordinary no matter what they do. They shouldn't be cast aside as failures

No matter a person's standing they can still leave an impact on someone. Just being a kind person can go a long way. I'm sure you've had someone in your community die that was a strong pillar. Nobody was crying cause of their degree or how much money they made :skip:

No, how they treated people left an impact. And that type of person isn't easy to be. Otherwise everyone would do it
You keep assuming that this notion of “the every day person” means something when I keep asking you justify it you keep reverting back to some assumed argument you’ve never established for yourself.
It's downright obvious that I see inherent value in everyone based on everything I've said

The opposite conclusion would be that only people with money, status, or education matter (which the last two still require luck, money, and privilege to obtain even with hard work)

And everyone else is just too lazy or stupid to achieve the same :unimpressed:

I’m not revealing personal info. I already proved to you that I’m black so stop deflecting when you get an answer you don’t like.
It's general info. You can't claim a state or region cause you know you'll be exposed for not knowing shyt about it :mjlol:
 

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FD is another one of those too-cool-for-school leftists who try to think that throwing the word “capitalism” in there makes your analysis more legitimize, innovative or insightful. They really dont want to admit there’s a narrow chance of success and routs of opportunity so they’d rather just make these grand conspiracies that incorporate everything but functionally change or challenge NOTHING.
So you admit “Black capitalism” only benefits a select few and there’s only limited opportunity for the collective? Just so we’re clear.
:mjgrin:
 

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I've already told you. All elitism is bad because if one group is at the top there has to always be another at the bottom
So? I want black elites.
And who do you think that's gonna be based on history? :comeon:

The end is to:

1. Recognize the different paths of success to make better recommendations for future generations instead of trying a one size fits all approach
That doesn’t mean ensuring preferable outcomes. You can factor in variables to increase the odds but you can’t secure compete outcomes.
2. Maintain community instead of sewing division between class and education levels. We know a doctor and a bus driver aren't going to make equal pay, but we can still celebrate both for their place in the community.
Who said anything about not being celebrated?
Rich people donate money to the poor. They don't live amongst them or work alongside them. So who does that leave with the chance for the most direct impact?
Direct impact to do what?
The everyday person. If they can have a positive impact on a black child or other member of the community, isn't that excellent if it promotes the growth of the next generation?
Sure, but we still need more black elites directing the mega-trends
I'm talking how poverty is one of the biggest obstacles to education. If kids don't have the resources to make it on the daily through k-12, then isn't it obvious that there would be less in higher education
So how would having fewer black elites fix this when elites exist in other communities to address these concerns?

Reason why you see more seek the arts, trades, or other non-traditional routes. Cause of the lower barriers to entry and because they have closer proximity to those successful in those areas
Arts have been sold to black people when black people haven’t achieved the basics yet. Of course it’s a creative endeavor thats tolerated but black people dont own the infrastructure.
Simply saying "we need more black kids in xyz" isn't putting money in their pockets to go to college. Its tone deaf
How is that tone deaf? My goal is that black kids are directed into fields of real value and worth
Your agenda to promote conservatism and elitism to a group of historically marginalized people :comeon:
I’m not a conservative. But being historically marginalized and elitism have nothing to do with one another. When we were at our most marginalized we had extreme internal elites.

we lost our elitism with more integration, honestly
First you tried to soft shoe your way in by attacking trans people. Which backfired cause people just became annoyed with you rather than supportive
I won the trans debate.
So now you put on your Jay z freeform wig to cry your bleeding lil heart out for the black bourgeoisie whose interest and beliefs align more with the white elite than the black working class
How does the black “bourgeoisie” align with the white elite?
Corrupt politicians like Larry Langford or Eric adams are the types that get thrown in our faces as Black excellence. We're supposed to root for black faces in high places who sell us out for more dollars from white capitalists. I guessing more of their ilk will satisfy you at some point :unimpressed:
Corruption abounds, it’s not race specific.
You want the black elite to rule over the community, so yeah the conversation inherently calls for the question of what's in it for them :skip:
Yes.
But doesn't this call back to the premise of the thread? Who is authorized to speak on the black community?

Those who were fortunate enough to rise out of it or those directly affected by the socioeconomic struggles that plague?

Personally I feel there's room for all perspectives. Personal experience can still enhance certain conversations depending on the individual's ability to analyze their own

By living. Meet more people and maybe you'll see :skip:

I've learned from everybody regardless of their standing in life. There's good and bad in everyone. Just gotta take what works for you

Ordinary people matter

Some will be ordinary no matter what they do. They shouldn't be cast aside as failures

No matter a person's standing they can still leave an impact on someone. Just being a kind person can go a long way. I'm sure you've had someone in your community die that was a strong pillar. Nobody was crying cause of their degree or how much money they made :skip:

No, how they treated people left an impact. And that type of person isn't easy to be. Otherwise everyone would do it

It's downright obvious that I see inherent value in everyone based on everything I've said

The opposite conclusion would be that only people with money, status, or education matter (which the last two still require luck, money, and privilege to obtain even with hard work)

And everyone else is just too lazy or stupid to achieve the same :unimpressed:


It's general info. You can't claim a state or region cause you know you'll be exposed for not knowing shyt about it :mjlol:
 

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If anyone believes "black capitalism" is the answer, you're lost and too far gone.

Jay Z is a perfect representation on why "black capitalism" wont and will never work.
The projects Jay Z sells aren’t great.

Black capitalism is absolutely a tool of liberation. I think leftists want the most return with the least investment of energy and sacrifice.
 

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Then why do you keep advocating for it? :mindblown:

You literally agree it won't help most black people but want to argue that we need more rich black people

Will you finally admit you want them to oppress poor black people, too?:mjpls:
My goal isn’t to help MOST black people. My goal is to help enough black people who can steer the ship.

I’m not naive enough to chase everyone. This is why I look funny at anyone who can’t admit they have a plan thats narrowly tailored to specific outcomes.

Anyone who claims to want to help all black people is lying.
 

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My goal isn’t to help MOST black people. My goal is to help enough black people who can steer the ship.

I’m not naive enough to chase everyone. This is why I look funny at anyone who can’t admit they have a plan thats narrowly tailored to specific outcomes.

Anyone who claims to want to help all black people is lying.
Says more about you than anything :yeshrug:

You can believe anyone is truly altruistic cause you only see people as fodder
 
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