DJ Quik says he deserves to be where Dr Dre is

[papertrail08]

He put Mauseberg on....I know David personally....he didn't put Suga Free on but is behind alot of his music....alot of you may not even know what he has been behind....he has some issues though and that's all I'm gonna say and that may be why his status in this hip hop game was never elevated....

Is it true that he don't fukk with his Safe & Sound album like that?

 

[Pop123]

DJ Quik’s music made it on The Sopranos, he is that level in my eyes, lol


PS , that’s one of the funniest scenes in Sopranos history.

“Give me one thousand dollars ”

“Oh shyt, it’s that fukkin zip Furio”

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Is it true that he don't fukk with his Safe & Sound album like that?

There's a reason why.....during that time alot of bruh's he knew had passed....that album was like therapy for him....but so was the bottle....he made a masterpiece though....

 

[vdfebduderocks]

I tend to hear these conversations come up every few years, especially involving different producers. Pete Rock vs Puffy when it comes to Juicy. Ghost producers producing for Timbo. Quik vs Dre follows a similar theme.

There's a difference between a beat maker and a producer. It's one thing to produce a beat, which fwiw isn't an easy task. It's another thing altogether to produce a record. You're really looking at the song from a big picture POV. It does involve working on mixes, taking out instruments, etc.

Take the Pete Rock Juicy controversy. Pete Rock wanted credit for Juicy, fine. But his version of Juicy was rightfully removed. The Pete Rock version of Juicy would never be as transcendent as it is now. Juicy is looked at on a whole other level. It's what separated BIG from when Nas came out with It's Hard to Tell and Mobb Deep came out with Shook Ones. The beat and the mixing play a huge role and that's a critical aspect of production.

Take the Ross song Sanctified as another example. Mustard basically made the beat. Kanye literally slowed the entire thing down which resulted in an extra oomph. The beat sounds different, but it's just slowed down. Again, the difference in production vs. beat making.

 

[surv2syn]

Literally, one of the biggest aspects of music production is honing talent. You're supposed to bring out the best of the artists by playing to their strengths, but not exposing the exposing the weaknesses. It's why a Snoop can work with whatever producer and never reached the quality or success of Doggystyle again. When he worked with Dre on his other albums, the Dre songs were still highlights. 50 never got the level of success of "In Da Club" or GRODT (which had more Dre records of any of his other albums). Eminem's greatest success, again was with the Dre helmed albums and songs. The biggest songs off of his first two albums were produced by Dre. That changed with Eminem Show. 2Pac's biggest song and album involved Dre.

That whole "eye for talent" excuse is dead.

This is what is misleading as hell about this post. How many hip hop artists can you name that had more commercial success (not critical acclaim) beyond their first two commercial albums regardless of the producer? There are a few exceptions but in very small percentage.

The key word is machine.

 

[JustCKing]

This is what is misleading as hell about this post. How many hip hop artists can you name that had more commercial success (not critical acclaim) beyond their first two commercial albums regardless of the producer? There are a few exceptions but in very small percentage.

The key word is machine.

How was the post misleading?

Doggystyle is Snoop's first album. It still remains his biggest and best album. Snoop has an album helmed by The Neptunes at the absolute prime of their production run that dropped on Interscope led by "Drop It Like It's Hot", which was

a #1 hit. Album got nowhere near the acclaim of Doggystyle and sold a fraction of what Doggystyle sold.

50 Cent's first album was shelved. He signs with Aftermath, has a mixtape buzz, drops "Wanksta" and then the Dre produced "In Da Club" and he becomes one of the biggest rappers in Hip Hop history. GRODT remains his best and biggest album and it has several Dre productions.

And what's this about the machine? Many of these artists have a machine behind them and STILL flop commercially and critically.

 

[zayk35]

Quik came out the gate and got famous sampling Dr Dre voice. He will always be 2nd to Dr Dre no matter how much he don’t like it.

This probably the best post in this entire thread

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

By the same token, where is Dre without good collaborators? Making mid records like Compton that don't move the needle or not releasing records at all.

That's like saying, "What's Quincy Jones without good collaborators?"

Great producers turn talent into superstars.

Again, if they're so good, how come they're never more successful without Dre?

Dre goes from Ruthless/NWA to Death Row to Aftermath

Where's Yella & Ren today?

Where's Daz, Warren G, and Mel Man?

Dre's still Dre.

Those nikkaz are footnotes in Dre's careers.

Dre's in his mid '50s, making mid records like "Compton"'s a lot better than 99% of his peers.

ehh, I'd argue snoop has.

shyt like bush or 7 days of Funk had zero Dre involvement and are excellent collaborations w/ P and Dam-funk.

LMAO, Snoop aint sniffed the success of "Doggystyle" since.

You’ve gone too far the other way, have you heard ‘Ghetto Quran’? 50 was never going to be a papoose or Saigon, two different type of rappers.

50 could've easily been another overrated NYC prodigy just like 100 dudes who were supposed to "change the game".

 

[Budda]

That's like saying, "What's Quincy Jones without good collaborators?"

Great producers turn talent into superstars.

Again, if they're so good, how come they're never more successful without Dre?

Dre goes from Ruthless/NWA to Death Row to Aftermath

Where's Yella & Ren today?

Where's Daz, Warren G, and Mel Man?

Dre's still Dre.

Those nikkaz are footnotes in Dre's careers.

Dre's in his mid '50s, making mid records like "Compton"'s a lot better than 99% of his peers.



LMAO, Snoop aint sniffed the success of "Doggystyle" since.

50 could've easily been another overrated NYC prodigy just like 100 dudes who were supposed to "change the game".

No 50 was too good of a songwriter not to strike hot at one point, he’s closer to Ja Rule than he is a Papoose.

 

[MurderToCassette]

Dre's still Dre.

Is he? Where's the next Chronic, Doggystyle, or 2001 been hiding for the last two decades then? Quik has dropped 5 great to classic solo albums since 2000.

That's like saying, "What's Quincy Jones without good collaborators?"

This is such a tired ass comparison. If you really want to go there, has Dre composed symphonies for orchestras or written entire film scores? This is just the go to comparison cause they see Dre as a "director" who "takes things to the next level". Except he's been called out so many times for having ghost producers and he doesn't write rhymes either, so you can't really say what else he does.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

he never had access to it like dre. not blaming dre for his luck but give quik access to mc ren cube snoop kurupt daz warren g em 50 & kendrick his legacy would be greater than dre’s cus he’s a better producer

Nigha he gotta find the talent then.

 

[JustCKing]

Is he? Where's the next Chronic, Doggystyle, or 2001 been hiding for the last two decades then? Quik has dropped 5 great to classic solo albums since 2000.



This is such a tired ass comparison. If you really want to go there, has Dre composed symphonies for orchestras or written entire film scores? This is just the go to comparison cause they see Dre as a "director" who "takes things to the next level". Except he's been called out so many times for having ghost producers and he doesn't write rhymes either, so you can't really say what else he does.

Quik has dropped 5 great to classic albums according to Quik fans.

And yes, the Dre comparisons to Quincy Jones stands. Dre worked with Burt Bacharach.

And all this ghost producer talk surrounding Dre comes from uneducated people who have no business talking about music because they don't know the difference between a credited co-producer and ghost. And to further that conversation, Dre has been credited as an additional producer and a co-producer on tracks, but these same folks never say Dre "ghost produced". And then they swear the co-producer did all the work, bur

 

[Insensitive]

I will never disrespect Mannie Fresh, he is a legend, his music is apart of my childhood.
You're fukking nuts though if you think Dj Quik can't see him on the boards.

Two of my Hip-Hop musical heroes.

Mannie Fresh is in my top 10.
So is DJ Quik.
As well as Dilla, Premier, Q-Tip and so on.

 

[MurderToCassette]

Quik has dropped 5 great to classic albums according to Quik fans.

And yes, the Dre comparisons to Quincy Jones stands. Dre worked with Burt Bacharach.

And all this ghost producer talk surrounding Dre comes from uneducated people who have no business talking about music because they don't know the difference between a credited co-producer and ghost. And to further that conversation, Dre has been credited as an additional producer and a co-producer on tracks, but these same folks never say Dre "ghost produced". And then they swear the co-producer did all the work, bur

Compared to one mid Dre album(by Chronic and 2001 standards)...in 20 years.

I can appreciate that Dre worked with Burt Bacharach, but Quincy studied under Nadia Boulanger who schooled Burt Bacharach and Quincy herself. I think that's a completely different level.

I'm a fan of Dre, but I also think something has to be up when so many people have the same complaints with one person. That's not to say he isn't skilled in what he does, he does elevate other producers and he does get the best out of talent. What elevates Quik to me is that he does so much by himself. He can straight up make beats, write his own rhymes, hold his own in a battle, play instruments, and mix pristine sounding records.

 

[JustCKing]

Compared to one mid Dre album(by Chronic and 2001 standards)...in 20 years.

I can appreciate that Dre worked with Burt Bacharach, but Quincy studied under Nadia Boulanger who schooled Burt Bacharach and Quincy herself. I think that's a completely different level.

I'm a fan of Dre, but I also think something has to be up when so many people have the same complaints with one person. That's not to say he isn't skilled in what he does, he does elevate other producers and he does get the best out of talent. What elevates Quik to me is that he does so much by himself. He can straight up make beats, write his own rhymes, hold his own in a battle, play instruments, and mix pristine sounding records.

There are Hip Hop producers who do a lot by themselves, but are hardly recognized and even dismissed by Hip Hop heads. Salaam Remi plays instruments and even has conducted orchestras. He's ample his own compositions. He helped The Fugees establish their sound and produced some of Nas's biggest and best songs. Is Salaam ever mentioned among elite producers? Rarely does he use co-producers. Andre 3000 is another example. He pretty much produced all of Love Below and played instruments on that album. He's even produced for other artists. Nobody's putting Andre 3000 on the same level as a Dr. Dre.

Salaam doesn't even trip off people not giving him due respect. He does the records and keeps it moving.