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[Pressure]

Did you really only read the first sentence of the wikipedia definition? political nomenclature is not a static concept it is dynamic and changes with time, i dont care what people in the 1930s used the term as TODAY we use it to refer to the status quo politics that began with regan.

Are you trying to transform neoliberal like whites tried to transform ******?

"You're not a ******. ******s aren't all black people. Only bad black people. You know, like Rasheed over there!"

 

[Saka]

@Call Me James In the 1980s Regan established a status quo, since then you only have a variance in degrees of that status quo no one has entirely diverged from it whether they are Democrat or Republican, i would say republicans practiced a more extreme version of neoliberalism which can be dubed necon but in essence they share the same philosophy. Trump is not a neoliberal he as he violates the first point of your definition of neoliberalism.

 

[Pressure]

All jokes aside, if this forum is supposed to be Higher Learning we should be able to accurately discuss politics and use the CORRECT terminology when applying them to politicians. Is that really too much to ask @Saka?

 

[Saka]

All jokes aside, if this forum is supposed to be Higher Learning we should be able to accurately discuss politics and use the CORRECT terminology when applying them to politicians. Is that really too much to ask @Saka?

Who decides what is correct? seems quite authoritarian to me, my usage of Neoliberal is exclusive to those that put the interests of corporations over citizens in that vein yes you could say trump is a neoliberal.

 

[Pressure]

@Call Me James In the 1980s Regan established a status quo, since then you only have a variance in degrees of that status quo no one has entirely diverged from it whether they are Democrat or Republican, i would say republicans practiced a more extreme version of neoliberalism which can be dubed necon but in essence they share the same philosophy. Trump is not a neoliberal he as he violates the first point of your definition of neoliberalism.

I'm not quite sure you know the terms. Neoconservatism and neoliberalism have different focuses. Neoconservatism, regarding America, really deals more with our foreign policy and intervetionism. Terms like the "World's police" etc have spawned from that.

I'd suggest taking the time to have an open mind and read up on the differences in the two philosophies. They are distinctly different things and not at all handcuffed to the political/social terms liberalism or conservatism.

 

[Saka]

I'm not quite sure you know the terms. Neoconservatism and neoliberalism have different focuses. Neoconservatism, regarding America, really deals more with our foreign policy and intervetionism. Terms like the "World's police" etc have spawned from that.

I'd suggest taking the time to have an open mind and read up on the differences in the two philosophies. They are distinctly different things and not at all handcuffed to the political/social terms liberalism or conservatism.

A neocon is essentially a neoliberal with a more hawk like foreign policy

 

[Pressure]

Who decides what is correct? seems quite authoritarian to me, my usage of Neoliberal is exclusive to those that put the interests of corporations over citizens in that vein yes you could say trump is a neoliberal.

The problem with this view is that you are using a term with distinct meaning to mean whatever you want. There's a time and place for slang, but it's not here. If a word has too many meaning is only creates confusion. That's just fact. If you'd like an example I'll give you one: Corporatism.

 

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I don't think anyone on the Coli is referring to free market capitalism when slinging out Neoliberal as an insult.

Since that word came in vogue last year or two, I was bugged out because I remember learning it in school this way and it being used as something totoally different.

 

[Pressure]

A neocon is essentially a neoliberal with a more hawk like foreign policy

The problem here is you're attempting to place these terms on the same spectrum and they're not. Neoliberalism exists without neoconservatism where as neoconservatism is on a similar spectrum as paleoconservatism.

 

[Saka]

Since that word came in vogue last year or two, I was bugged out because I remember learning it in school this way and it being used as something totoally different.

Where in America in the year 2017 do you actually see free market capitalism? you have monopolies enforced through legislation because money in politics allows the winners to perpetually rig the system in their favor. The definition of the word has morphed, this is a common phenomenon in language here you can read about it: 20 words that once meant something very different

 

[mastermind]

Where in America in the year 2017 do you actually see free market capitalism? you have monopolies enforced through legislation because money in politics allows the winners to perpetually rig the system in their favor. The definition of the word has morphed, this is a common phenomenon in language here you can read about it: 20 words that once meant something very different

You can't do this with a term like neoliberalism tho.

 

[Pressure]

Since that word came in vogue last year or two, I was bugged out because I remember learning it in school this way and it being used as something totoally different.

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It's irritating. I'm just going to correct people every time they use it wrong. But i blame fox news, breitbart, and failing schools for that. The Iraq wars and Libya also brought out the term neoconservative rightfully so, but someone calling the Obama Administration NeoConservative makes rednecks down here go . It is what it is.

 

[Pressure]

Where in America in the year 2017 do you actually see free market capitalism? you have monopolies enforced through legislation because money in politics allows the winners to perpetually rig the system in their favor. The definition of the word has morphed, this is a common phenomenon in language here you can read about it: 20 words that once meant something very different

Based on your usage of terms, I could say I see free-market capitalism in America. Because free-market capitalism means what I want it to mean.

 

[Saka]

The problem here is you're attempting to place these terms on the same spectrum and they're not. Neoliberalism exists without neoconservatism where as neoconservatism is on a similar spectrum as paleoconservatism.

You are correct neoliberalism does exist without neoconservatism because Regan was essentially the basis for the modern Neoliberal, the term neoconservative is used to identify a regan style democrat/republican with a more extreme/imperialistic foreign policy.

Paleoconservatives are isolationist the opposite of neolibs/necons who advocate Americas imperialistic foreign policy.

 

[Saka]

You can't do this with a term like neoliberalism tho.

You can, and this is not the first time this has happened either the term neoliberal and its definition have changed numerous times over history, nomenclature evolves to discuss the phenomena of its time, its why they release new textbooks every year.