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[Pressure]

You can, and this is not the first time this has happened either the term neoliberal and its definition have changed numerous times over history, nomenclature evolves to discuss the phenomena of its time, its why they release new textbooks every year.

The term neoliberal has not changed. The implementation of neoliberalism has evolved, but in no way do it refer to democrats camping for corporations over the common man. It's more libertarian than anything, but no matter how you slice it up its certainly not s term I'd attribute to Hillary Clinton especially considering her views on social welfare and regulation.

 

[Saka]

The term neoliberal has not changed. The implementation of neoliberalism has evolved, but in no way do it refer to democrats camping for corporations over the common man. It's more libertarian than anything, but no matter how you slice it up its certainly not s term I'd attribute to Hillary Clinton especially considering her views on social welfare and regulation.

Once again:

Regan was essentially the basis for the modern Neoliberal, his shifting of the landscape from keynesian new deal politics to friedmans neoliberal policies has defined the status quo of american politics since the 80s and since then all we have is varying degrees of friedmans policies HILLARY IS IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM a new deal democrat just a lighter touch on neoliberalism.

:bernumad:

 

[Pressure]

Once again:

Regan was essentially the basis for the modern Neoliberal, his shifting of the landscape from keynesian new deal politics to friedmans neoliberal policies has defined the status quo of american politics since the 80s and since then all we have is varying degrees of friedmans policies HILLARY IS IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM a new deal democrat just a lighter touch on neoliberalism.

:bernumad:

If Hillary is like Obama, then she's more Keynesian.

You're making very little sense. :bernielol:

 

[Saka]

If Hillary is like Obama, then she's more Keynesian.

You're making very little sense. :bernielol:

Who said hillary is like Obama, are we pulling words out of thin air james?

Even then ill throw you a bone james, Obama was not Keynesian, take the ACA for example definitley not a keynesian model.

 

[Pressure]

Who said hillary is like Obama, are we pulling words out of thin air james?

Even then ill throw you a bone james, Obama was not Keynesian, take the ACA for example definitley not a keynesian model.

I know it's been a while, but are you saying Obama's 800 billion dollar stimulus package wasn't Keynesian?

Are you saying that Hillary Clinton would have let those big banks and the auto industry fails since she's a neoliberal and believes the free market would work itself out?

You can't seriously be saying these things.

 

[JahFocus CS]

@Call Me James I would say you are half-right. Neoliberalism is basically the dismantling of the welfare state and privatization of public services; in the U.S., this was initiated full force during the Reagan era. However, it continued well after Reagan because the "New Democrats" in the late 80s/early 90s began parroting the same rhetoric and carrying out reforms of the same nature.

The term is being applied to most Democrats now because the majority of Dem politicians are not talking big about bringing back programs on the scale of a New Deal. They flirt with privatizing things like education. Etc, etc. It's not really being used to describe Repubs at this point because we know what they're about since they say it straight up. Democrats, on the other hand, use rhetoric of fairness and economic justice while not supporting those things in substance.

 

[Pressure]

@Call Me James I would say you are half-right. Neoliberalism is basically the dismantling of the welfare state and privatization of public services; in the U.S., this was initiated full force during the Reagan era. However, it continued well after Reagan because the "New Democrats" in the late 80s/early 90s began parroting the same rhetoric and carrying out reforms of the same nature.

The term is being applied to most Democrats now because the majority of Dem politicians are not talking big about bringing back programs on the scale of a New Deal. They flirt with privatizing things like education. Etc, etc. It's not really being used to describe Repubs at this point because we know what they're about since they say it straight up. Democrats, on the other hand, use rhetoric of fairness and economic justice while not supporting those things in substance.

That's the problem. What most republicans are doing during the Tea Party and Trump movements are extremely neoliberal. Same with a lot of libertarians.

The problem here is that you're attempting to use neoliberal as a pejorative because you feel like someone isn't doing enough. But not doing enough is very much different than the active privatization and dismantling of these structures.

There's certainly going to be some overlap across ideologies but for a lot of the criticisms people have of democrats and their platform, being neoliberal isn't the one.

You can't be the party of bloated government, over regulating, and taking money from the rich to help the populous and be considered neoliberal.

There are valid criticisms, but they don't all have to fit in a single term.

 

[JahFocus CS]

That's the problem. What most republicans are doing during the Tea Party and Trump movements are extremely neoliberal. Same with a lot of libertarians.

The problem here is that you're attempting to use neoliberal as a pejorative because you feel like someone isn't doing enough. But not doing enough is very much different than the active privatization and dismantling of these structures.

There's certainly going to be some overlap across ideologies but for a lot of the criticisms people have of democrats and their platform, being neoliberal isn't the one.

You can't be the party of bloated government, over regulating, and taking money from the rich to help the populous and be considered neoliberal.

There are valid criticisms, but they don't all have to fit in a single term.

In the modern era, when have the Republicans ever been for expanding social welfare though?

Please note that I did not say "isn't doing enough." I said, "the 'New Democrats' in the late 80s/early 90s began parroting the same rhetoric and carrying out reforms of the same nature." Things like welfare reform wasn't a Republican project... it was a Democrat project. We've got Dems today backing charter schools/the privatization of public schools.

Neoliberalism was and is a ruling class project to roll back the gains of the working class in the post-WWII period. It was a bipartisan project. Peep this article.

You think Democrats are "the party of bloated government, over regulating, and taking money from the rich to help the populous"? Those are conservative criticisms of the Democrats and their rightward drift was a response to those very criticisms and the success of Reaganites in the 80s.

 

[ZoeGod]

Majority of the population is asleep at the wheel still...

I don't think the Trump wake up is going to happen like people said it would

Yeah it looks like 2020 will be 2004 all over again. 2018 doesn't look good for Dems as alot of them will be defending seats. If Trump isn't impeached by this time next year it isn't gonna look good.

 

[Pressure]

In the modern era, when have the Republicans ever been for expanding social welfare though?

Please note that I did not say "isn't doing enough." I said, "the 'New Democrats' in the late 80s/early 90s began parroting the same rhetoric and carrying out reforms of the same nature." Things like welfare reform wasn't a Republican project... it was a Democrat project. We've got Dems today backing charter schools/the privatization of public schools.

Neoliberalism was and is a ruling class project to roll back the gains of the working class in the post-WWII period. It was a bipartisan project. Peep this article.

You think Democrats are "the party of bloated government, over regulating, and taking money from the rich to help the populous"? Those are conservative criticisms of the Democrats and their rightward drift was a response to those very criticisms and the success of Reaganites in the 80s.

Cool article. Thanks for posting.

I think your position, a lot of his rhetoric, and many of the complaints people have and attribute to neoliberalism is by and large complaints against capitalisms current manifestation. You're a socialist right? Or Communist? I don't quite recall which.

Either way, I'd say the biggest issue with America and the wealth gap is that corporations have been extended the rights of humans. It's a fundamental flaw in our constitution.

10 Supreme Court Rulings That Turned Corporations Into People

 

[dtownreppin214]

I won't be voting for a Dem until they turn into a militaristic anarchist group

That takes no outside money at all.

All donations must be made in the form of Chuck e cheese tickets.

 

[88m3]

That takes no outside money at all.

All donations must be made in the form of Chuck e cheese tickets.

I almost spit my coffee out earlier when I read that


the naivety and lack of awareness is surreal

 

[I_Got_Da_Burna]

Cool article. Thanks for posting.

I think your position, a lot of his rhetoric, and many of the complaints people have and attribute to neoliberalism is by and large complaints against capitalisms current manifestation. You're a socialist right? Or Communist? I don't quite recall which.

Either way, I'd say the biggest issue with America and the wealth gap is that corporations have been extended the rights of humans. It's a fundamental flaw in our constitution.

10 Supreme Court Rulings That Turned Corporations Into People

yea and the NEOLIBERALS didn't fight that decision, they agreed with it. it was the true progressives who fought against it.

 

[Pressure]

yea and the NEOLIBERALS didn't fight that decision, they agreed with it. it was the true progressives who fought against it.

Negged for purposely using the term incorrectly.

Acting like you aren't a part of the problem. You government shill.

 

[Pressure]

@I_Got_Da_Burna the privatization of government is what's getting you paid!