Do nikkas really think Off The Wall was better than Thriller???

[semicko82]

I think Off the Wall is his best album. I think Dangerous is his most serious and personal album. I think Bad is his worst albums as far as ranking albums in his prime goes...

Off The Wall is like a nightlife soundtrack to me, it tells a story. The rest of his albums are just a collection of songs that can hopefully hit number 1 on the charts.

Off the Wall showcases Michael's technical singing prowess and his song presence. That's the type of pop music virtuoso that I would expect him to become. Not making songs like Bad, The Girl Is Mine, Thriller or Man in Mirror which is full of cheesiness, cliches and platitudes.

I think the commercial success of Thriller hides how cheesy most of the songs are on that album. I think Michael Jackson's commercial success makes him very overrated in general..especially compared to someone like Prince or Marvin Gaye.

Wanna Be Starting Something, Billie Jean, Human Nature, Baby Be Mine and Lady In My Life are the only songs I fukk with Thriller album.

Michael Jackson wasn't a mature or personal artist. He majority of his career he wrote/performed very bland and cookie cutter formulaic songs after Off the Wall...so he can sell as much records possible. That's was his goal, it wasn't to make the best songs, but songs that get number 1s and occupy the charts.

To me, Michael Jackson is for kids or people who like and can appreciate simple poppy shyt. Michael Jackson is like the Transformers of music. A consistent technical spectacle with very little depth.

Michael Jackson is one of the greatest male vocalists....but he didn't really sing or do the songs I would expect from a guy as talented as he is.

I would've liked more songs like Wanna Be Starting Something, Leave Me Alone, Can't Help It, Human Nature, Don't Stop Until You Get Enough, Rock With You, Smooth Criminal or Billie Jean. For every one of those songs you get shyt like Bad, Girl Is Mine, Just Can't Stop Loving You, Man in the Mirror and etc.

His genius lies in his packaging of music and the promotion of himself. His music videos and etc. Thriller and Beat It are good music videos...but I ain't listening to the songs by themselves.

His albums...outside of a Off The Wall...are hit and miss when it comes to the tracklist...alternates from brilliant songwriting and a haunting and overbearing personal touch to pure pop commercial cheesiness...

Ether to the king of pop

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Yes

 

[LEEeveryday]

Nah... I was rolling at first...then I just went back and Thriller still wins... No skippable track in sight..

 

[King Poetic]

I prefer thriller

 

[African Peasant]

Off the Wall was R&B perfection and Thriller was pop perfection.

Both albums need to be shown some respect.

RnB >>>>>>>>> Pop.

 

[African Peasant]

If you're older than 15 yo and still playing Beat it, you lost.

Thriller has wonderful song; Human Nature is the GOAT MJ song.

However, Off The Wall is the better album. No cartoonish songs on it

Plus, the bass line

 

[African Peasant]

Go ahead...IDC...that criticism of Michael Jackson was around even when he was alive and in his prime...

LOL



See...and this is the problem with artists who traffick on commercial success and mass appeal instead of actually making good songs that ain't out of a cookie cutter formula - of what the format is...

Michael Jackson had a formula to sell records and he stuck with that formula throughout his career because it made him chart.

Thriller and Bad are almost the same album. Dirty Diana = Billie Jean. Just Good Friends = Girl Is Mine. Bad = Wanna Be Starting Something. Smooth Criminal = Thriller.

The song about a woman trying to manipulate him...check. The theme driven song - check. The duet about a girl - check. The upbeat intro song - check. The adult contemporary song about the human condition - check.

Then make dope music videos...

He isn't a Prince or a Marvin Gaye or like a Miles Davis or a Jimi Hendrix...there is no musical exploration. It's just music to chart.

His genius is in selling his music. It's not the music itself. The music itself was never on the cutting edge of music. He always came in and just did it marketed it and sold it better than anyone else in the pop lane. When disco wasn't cool, he bailed and made Thriller, which has disco elements but it's not disco which everybody in the pop lane did in the early 80s. When everybody was using loud ass drum machines making this bass heavy groove, he made Bad. When New Jack Swing was in, he did that...and he did it really late.

Prince crafting his own genre and sound in the 80s. Bobby Brown was one of the originators of the New Jack Swing lane in the late 80s. BBD completely up ended Hip Hop/RnB/Pop in one album.

Let's not even talk about what Rick James did, another genre bender in the 80s that was on the cutting edge of RnB and Pop. Or how about Cameo?

Michael Jackson wasn't doing any of these things. His whole gimmick was the music video. It wasn't even the music. He wasn't making better music than Prince. He wasn't making better music than Rick James. shyt Bobby Brown's Don't Be Cruel is a better album than Bad. BBD 1st album was better than Dangerous.

He made better marketing and videos and had a better tour....and his shyt was kid friendly.

Pop music is the Superhero/Action Blockbuster movie of the music business...it's meant to sell and sell a lot...

Most pop albums are shytty in the overall grand scheme of music. Just like most superhero/action movies are shytty when you compare it to the overall movie business.

It's the most rudimentary, formulaic, unengaging and unchallenging form of entertainment you can be entertained by...(it's nothing wrong with being entertained by it...but I am just saying...there's better stuff out there)...

And there's great skill in making art that is meant to be consumed and accepted by the masses but...it doesn't mean it's good.

There's a McDonalds on every corner...all over the world, it's still shytty food.

Michael Jackson is the McDonalds, the Michael Bay, Dragon Ball Z, the Superhero/Action movie of music. He reinvented what it means to be a pop artist.

That's what he set out to be...and he achieved that and I ain't taking away from that....but his music ain't all that...outside of like..one album.

I am saying...there are countless artists that are better than him, that made better music than him, that got better albums than him, that were better at making music than him and if you are a serious music lover, he shouldn't even be like in the Top 10 of artists in terms of music...

Just like you should put McDonalds as one of the best restaurants you ever been to.

Not saying MJ was bad...he just isn't that good as his die-hard fans make him sound.

Nothing else to say.

 

[FlyGuy]

Quincy done opened up the floodgates

 

[Tiffrock]

Both had bangers

"I can't help it" -one of my favs is on "Off the Wall"

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

So Off the Wall is the only MJ album you like?

And what's wrong with The Way You Make Me Feel?

Pause

 

[Mike the Executioner]

Pause

I guess over in Harlem, Bad is the red-headed stepchild compared to Off the Wall and Thriller.

 

[thewiz]

my favorite song



>>>>>>> *

Thriller was MJ's crossover album but Off The Wall has more soul

Most underrated MJ joint

 

[RasNas]

Off the wall is my favorite and I'd actually rank dangerous over thriller too.

Imo 1. Off the wall 2. Dangerous 3. Thriller 4. HIStory 5. Bad 6. Invincible

 

[LevelUp]

Thriller

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

If you're older than 15 yo and still playing Beat it, you lost.

Thriller has wonderful song; Human Nature is the GOAT MJ song.

However, Off The Wall is the better album. No cartoonish songs on it

Plus, the bass line

Nah Beat it is for the rock crowd and the guitarists..it has a solo by who MANY claim is the greatest guitarist of all time EDDIE VAN HALEN...only one who can be put up there with Hendrix

That said the LOWS of THRILLER(Girl is mine) are better than OFF THE WALL(its the falling in love)..Girl is mine has a nice bop to it.