i think they're both in the highest level
do u think gza is on the same level lyrically as nas?
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Omar Little
It’s all in the Game Yo
Nas is Tier A.
Gza is Tier A.
Nas is closer to a +. Gza is closer to a -.
Gza is Tier A.
Nas is closer to a +. Gza is closer to a -.
Nas is lyrically more my style (Poetry, imagery mixed with street tales). But GZA is probably just as good from a technical aspect. Just not as diverse. And as others have said, GZA's lyricism is probably more "intelligent" from a textbook level
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MikeStamina
All Star
This take is laughable. But it's your opinion.
MikeStamina
All Star
Literally laugh out loud at some of these responses.
Nas carries albums. Gza carries 16's here n there.
But he's the more consistent one..coli will never disappoint with hyperbole.
Truth be told, during the Wu Era, a segment of the backpack crowd was feeling Deck more.
Don't respond back with bullshyt. I lived through it in real time
Nas carries albums. Gza carries 16's here n there.
But he's the more consistent one..coli will never disappoint with hyperbole.
Truth be told, during the Wu Era, a segment of the backpack crowd was feeling Deck more.
Don't respond back with bullshyt. I lived through it in real time
You are aware GZA has multiple solo albums right? Lol. What are you talking about "He carries 16s here and there". Huh?
i'm probably one of the few on this board that actually includes cadence & delivery as the criteria for being lyrical. which of course can become problematic when we're merely copy/pasting bars on message boards to convey how we think a certain rapper is lyrically dope. but in my mind cadence and flow has to matter because it's not just what you say in hip hop but how you say it, the delivery of the rhyme can take the spoken word to another stratosphere or kill the rhyme altogether like nah turn this shyt off b. i actually think we're not that different than the singing genres in that regard. which is why a lot of white rappers lose because they don't have that soul to bring across the words like black rappers but i digress..
nas & genius are both elite tier lyricists just like kobe & t-mac are both nba hall of famers right? cool but there's levels to that too. say what you want about who you think got a better artistic approach, pen game, content, etc but just nas' delivery alone puts him above genius. esco can spit on anything and never lose his identity or message, sometimes 3 different flows on one damn song. genius not so much, when it comes to flow he tends to be a one note rapper a la jadakiss. which isn't bad at all, my current favorite rapper westside gunn is the very definition of a one note rapper for a myriad of reasons. but to me gza's one note approach to flow precludes him from being mentioned with arguably the best to ever touch a microphone
nas & genius are both elite tier lyricists just like kobe & t-mac are both nba hall of famers right? cool but there's levels to that too. say what you want about who you think got a better artistic approach, pen game, content, etc but just nas' delivery alone puts him above genius. esco can spit on anything and never lose his identity or message, sometimes 3 different flows on one damn song. genius not so much, when it comes to flow he tends to be a one note rapper a la jadakiss. which isn't bad at all, my current favorite rapper westside gunn is the very definition of a one note rapper for a myriad of reasons. but to me gza's one note approach to flow precludes him from being mentioned with arguably the best to ever touch a microphone
MikeStamina
All Star
Bro don't play stupid. You know damn well Liquid Swords is the only album the general public cared about. Beneath the Surface was lukewarm to aight.
Words from the Genius was strictly an east coast album. Nothing memorable
All biases aside, you know I'm not lying
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What does "the public didn't care about the those albums" have to do with who's the better lyricist? Your argument was GZA only needed to spit "16 bars here and there" when he has 6 solo projects. Whether or not fans cared bout them has literally zero relevancy to who the better lyricist is. Neither does the quality of the album overall because that includes beats, choruses, song structure, melodies and a lot that has nothing to do with the actual lyrics. If you think Nas is better (which I do as well), say that. But don't try to turn this into a popularity thing or say he didn't have to rap that often. That's corny and simply not true.
MikeStamina
All Star
Dude you're off the path...
Nas carried memorable albums. That matters
Impact of the lyrics matters.
The people caring about your work matters
If anyone is going to quote a gza lyric, it's likely a 16 from classic wu, or from Liquid Swords
I can play No Introduction right now for the 200th time n still get goosebumps
Gza can rhyme n is a lyricist no doubt. But not in Nas class. Nas can pick memorable lyrics from a much bigger pond. Nothing really controversial about that opinion
Absolutely on the same level, with a completely different style.
GOATs.
Nas is my #1, Gza my #5
GOATs.
Nas is my #1, Gza my #5
No. It actually doesn't. When we're asking who's the better lyricist, only thing that matters is the actual lyricism. Lol. You can try to spin and distort the point anyway you like but the matter at hand is strictly lyricism. All that other shyt is the business of music. We're talking about pure skills with the pen.
What you're talking about matters when it comes to ranking all-time rappers. Not pure skill. Don't conflate the two.
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The_Third_Man
Superstar
Both top 5 lyricists of all-time, but I think Nas is better because he's more lyrically versatile.
so yeah they're basically on the same level.
so yeah they're basically on the same level.
ShaDynasty
Chaos - The Album
It's all opinions of course, but Nas has an inconsistent discography. GZA has released less albums, but I think his mean average is stronger. For me Liquid Swords is better than any Nas album. Beneath the surface is high quality. Grandmasters is dope.
Nas has released more albums so he's made more good songs overall, but I like that GZA doesn't write weak material. He has quality control on his rhymes even if the projects themselves aren't perfect.
MikeStamina
All Star
You tried to hide your bias but the last sentence betrayed you.
My man this is argument for argument sake.
Gza is not in Nas class period. For him to be in Nas class that means he's also in jay, pac, big, bdk, rakim, cube, scarface, ll, krs class. He ain't there.
Is gza even seeing Az n Prodigy? Not to even compare him to members of his own camp.
It's cool to root for the underdog, but let's not lose our senses