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anyone know how / why Mike ended up doing that intro?
Do y'all think LL Cool J beat Canibus over popularity?
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That LL shyt ain’t beat no damn Canibus. 
is wrong with y’all ears. Talking about canibus album. That wack ass album has nothing to do with the damn dis
is wrong with y’all ears. Talking about canibus album. That wack ass album has nothing to do with the damn dis
TheObserver
Is In a Race against Time.
Then.. The More Popular MC always won..
Hell.. Nelly Beat KRS according to MTV
But Lyrically Canibus was better than LL then and now.. and forever lol
Hell.. Nelly Beat KRS according to MTV
But Lyrically Canibus was better than LL then and now.. and forever lol
And LL’s reason for going at Canibus was so fukkin lame. He was offended by Bus saying “you L let me borrow that mic off your arm”?
I mean did LL really sit down and think about that? Is it more likely this kid is trying to disrespect me OR is it likely he is in awe at being on a record with one of the greatest rappers of all time and he’s just being witty and showing love?
This is the debate right here! LL is a cultural icon. You don't come out your face and borrow nothing. You lucky to be on the rekkkkid! 
Thats all true but lets not act like LL didnt have a HUGE machine behind him pushing him, he was one of their first artists. U know the story about Lyor & nem trying to control the votes regarding the battle on Hot 97? Def Jam had way more to lose if LL lost
Awesome Wells
The Bobby Womack of Crack
They were signed to the same label though, lol.
Canibus was signed directly to Universal. LL was on Def Jam, which was under Universal. That's how 'Bis got on "4, 3, 2, 1". They were label mates. Canibus said that he signed with Universal because they offered him the most money. Wyclef always said that Universal was making sure they played the video for "Second Round KO" every 15 minutes on BET. They made the diss an actual single and promoted it crazy. Had Mike Tyson in the video and all that. Cool J's diss joint wasn't even on any of his albums, lol. Universal tried to use the beef with LL to propel Canibus, put mad money behind it, and it still didn't work. Dude just didn't have a following like that.
That's why LL's line where he said, "Ask Canibus, he ain't understanding this. Cause ninety-nine percent of his fans don't exist" was so potent. It was true! LOL!!
True but lets not act like Universal were hands on with their artists especially in hip-hop. Def Jam had business with folks @ Hot. U know
Lyor & nem was running in & out that muthafukking building to keep that relationship tight.
get these nets
Veteran
Same Def Jam behind the scenes politicing that was done to control the Ether/Super Ugly battle.
Funny style both times.
The lengths people are going to deny reality in this thread brings a smile to face. Dudes might as well put on the red nose and be full circus clowns.
What did def jam do to ether?
get these nets
Veteran
It was no contest, but they announced it as 51% to Ether or some crazy shyt, so Jay could save face.
The top hip hop radio station had to have respect for promotional budget that Def Jam had, and how much of the went to Hot 97
If anything Hot 97 was against Jay for him promoting whatever rival station was during that period.
that’s why he said
since I will not lose they tried to help him cheat
Vandelay
Life is absurd. Lean into it.
One of the most even battles ever. I originally thought Bus won, took me a few years to realize LL won. Bus had the shock value, but L was more calculated with his diss, and the fact that he didn't release it right away and as time passed...99% of his fans didn't exist. The lines just hit harder as time went on.
theres more to making music than just lyrics. not saying that lyrics is all cannibus relied on in this battle, but dudes saying cannibus won are always the one who are stuck on reading bars.
and yes, nelly beat KRS. it has nothing to do with who is more popular. nelly and the 1998 version of LL cool j(who was "old" and borderline pop at this point) werent even all that popular in the sector of people who cared about battles. yall confusing it with how it is today with social media where you have casual pop fans and companies weighing in on battles. it wasnt like that back then.
simply put, nelly had better disses than KRS.
LL slightly had better disses than cannibus......and i think more focus at this point, should be on the fact that this was arguably the greatest battle ever.
of course mike heard the line.
hes a hip-hop head and the record was huge. plus he was friends with LL - who was admittedly hurt when he saw tyson in the video.
probably money.
back when mike was banned from boxing.
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hot 97??? you do realize that nobody outisde of new york and north jersey knew or cared about what was going on at hot 97, right??
i'll tell ya man. new yorkers really think theyre the be all/end all.
ice cube didnt even get to respond before farrakhan squashed the beef.
yall need to stop that chit.
One more thing. Let me end this thread ABRUPTLY.
“Well, lemme tell you somethin: you might got mo cash than me
But you ain't got the skills to eat a nikkas ass like me”
i always crack up at this.
the way his voice lowered in shame when he spit that bar.
if only this came out 6 years later, so he could say "no homo" afterwards. he wouldve spit that line with more conviction.
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THIS!!!! THIS!!!
people still running in here talking about some machine.
then when you call them out on it, they dont respond.
cannibus was the one with a machine behind his diss track. his video was even getting played on planet groove!!! for the young dudes in here - planet groove was the flagship BET show at the tme.
meanwhile, LL's joint was basically just something for the radio mix-shows at night.
and yea, youre spot on with the Nas comparison.