Do you put your blackness before your manhood?

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Chattel slavery or financial discrimination is not an objective way to define hate, that's just your way of boxing me in rhetorically. Phrases like 'organized hateful front' is also another example of rhetoric gymnastics as well. Black people unfortunately rarely organize for any reason.

But the violence against gays in modern Jamaica and parts of Africa are indicative of a hateful anti-LGBT culture in those areas. Would you agree?
I'm not Jamaican or Continental African and their cultural resistances against homosexual mainstreaming aren't really my concern. We're speaking on the here and now while you sneak goalposts out another inch.
Oh, and women in Jamaica also contribute to violence acts against gays, I could show you an article about a treh getting mobbed there by a group of females but you don't want that.
Don't play intersectional games with me.
 

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They are attached at the hip. You aren't representing your 'blackness' if you're a male and not upholding the codes of manhood such as protecting you and yours.
So you can't be problack or display manhood while supporting the drug dealers, the pimps, the whores, the addicts, the whoremongers, the c00ns, the criminals, the abusers in our community? Correct?
It's cool to say 'I'm black first' because it gets daps... but history has shown that we hate black people who we perceive to be different from us...especially if those blacks lack certain traits of manhood. Gay and trans blacks get it from all corners on the coli...but y'all black first huh?:comeon:

I'm a man first. Period.
You are speaking fax but this thread was not about the LGBTQIA community at all until @THE RETIRED SKJ brought them up:pachaha:
Is this the totality of what "manhood" is?
Is it? Manhood means different things in different cultures. Like blackness and the African Diaspora, it is a spectrum. What is manhood to you?
Chattel slavery or financial discrimination is not an objective way to define hate, that's just your way of boxing me in rhetorically. Phrases like 'organized hateful front' is also another example of rhetoric gymnastics as well. Black people unfortunately rarely organize for any reason.

But the violence against gays in modern Jamaica and parts of Africa are indicative of a hateful anti-LGBT culture in those areas. Would you agree?
Again fax and while I despise bigotry in all its forms, I wasn't even thinking about my brothers and sisters in the LGBTQIA community lol. Dap+Rep
 

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Is it? Manhood means different things in different cultures. Like blackness and the African Diaspora, it is a spectrum. What is manhood to you?

I can see why somebody would say "manhood" is on a spectrum, but that spectrum is so broad that I believe every person would give a different to that...

I think there has to be something else to it beyond to "provide, protect, teach, heal, and lead"...because after all, women can those things, too.
 

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I can see why somebody would say "manhood" is on a spectrum, but that spectrum is so broad that I believe every person would give a different to that...

I think there has to be something else to it beyond to "provide, protect, teach, heal, and lead"...because after all, women can those things, too.
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that's not what that man meant or the words "black men" would be used, and most black men gravitate toward black frats.
nikkas is not gonna be forced to choose between a unisex group or cac-based FRAT by default.
I saw the slick maneuver and :camby: it.
By logic it makes no sense.
By default that's what black men do, en masse.
Hence the "well I'd still"...
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That is what i meant. But the choice is the same either way. Just insert whatever all ethnitity male group vs any black group and my preference will be the black one by default.
 

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Only on the coli would this question even be entertained :mjlol:.

Ya'll some race-obsessed idiots foreal.
 

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I'm not Jamaican or Continental African and their cultural resistances against homosexual mainstreaming aren't really my concern. We're speaking on the here and now while you sneak goalposts out another inch.
Oh, and women in Jamaica also contribute to violence acts against gays, I could show you an article about a treh getting mobbed there by a group of females but you don't want that.
Don't play intersectional games with me.
For someone who claims to put their blackness first, you certainly separated yourself from (black) Africans and (black) jamaicans at the snap of a finger. I thought this thread was a conversation among black men - not just black men of a certain country.

My examples may not 'concern you' but they exist, correct? And their indicative of an anti-LGBT culture in those areas, correct? Goal posts, you say.

I never made the argument that women didn't participate in anti-LGBT violence. Strawman fallacy.
 
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For someone who claims to put their blackness first, you certainly separated yourself from (black) Africans and (black) jamaicans at the snap of a finger. I thought this thread was a conversation among black men - not just black men of a certain country.

My examples may not 'concern you' but they exist, correct? And their indicative of an anti-LGBT culture in those areas, correct? Goal posts, you say.

I never made the argument that women didn't participate in anti-LGBT violence. Strawman fallacy.
You're one of THOSE type nikkas trying to wield concepts and fallacies...and doing it clumsily, with the fakkit-instructed twitter bytch debate style you're using, you won't get anywhere with me, kid.
First, let's bring this out:
Women like women more than men like men

Women are nearly five times more likely to show an automatic preference for their own gender than men are to show such favoritism for their own gender, according to a study in the October issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology (Vol. 87, No. 4).

To explore why their study found the opposite pattern, Rudman and Goodwin evaluated several possible reasons. They found:

  • Women's high self-esteem and female identity, on average, bolstered their automatic liking for women, whereas men's liking for men did not rely on high self-esteem or masculine identity. In other words, women can be characterized as thinking "if I am good and I am female, females are good," whereas men can be characterized as thinking "even if I am good and I am male, men are not necessarily good."

  • Men and women who implicitly favored their mothers over their fathers--such as by associating more positive words with their mothers than their fathers--also showed a pro-female bias, which suggests the influence of maternal bonding on gender preferences. In addition, people who reported being raised primarily by their mothers also showed pro-female bias on the IAT. Researchers, using self-reports, found no evidence that maternal attitudes influenced gender attitudes. In concert, these results are consistent with the theory that developmental events can influence implicit attitudes more than explicit attitudes, Rudman says.

  • Men and women who automatically perceived men as more threatening or intimidating than women also had pro-female preferences, suggesting that negative male stereotypes can promote greater liking for women.

  • Implicitly, men who reported liking sex also preferred women, but only if they were high on sexual experience. Men low on sexual experience showed implicit sexism to the extent they liked sex.
"These results suggest that for men, pro-female bias is moderated by sexual gratification," Rudman says. "By contrast, women who implicitly liked sex also preferred men, whether or not they were high on sexual experience."

You can read the study here:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2c44/14cde6b6a011e9f4910e6389d658278e3a7a.pdf
Personally:
I let other ethnic groups do their own things in their own countries and I am not going to police people who aren't within my IMMEDIATE community. I do not live in Africa or Jamaica, I am not from Africa or Jamaica, nor am I entitled to an opinion on African or Jamaican matters, GOOD SIR.
I also don't care about or support LGBT culture because some black people happen to be gay; who they sleep with at night, how they express themselves, and the consequences of doing such in places that don't tolerate them...is NOT my concern, because I'm not a homophile. Disagreement doesn't make one a suffix-PHOBE, either. PHOBOS means fear, you fukking idiots.
Stop playing stupid intersectional games with me. They can HYO? (can't say HYON to people who can't figure themselves out) and look for white support like usual.
Speaking on ANTI gay violence initiated and perpetrated by women in Jamaica is NOT a strawman as the entire thread premise is based upon whether or not one's BLACK-MANHOOD is put before one's COMMUNITY BLACKNESS...AKA do you think a WOMAN IS BETTER THAN YOU AUTOMATICALLY?
Women will be asked the same question but we all know that evolution and female social stylings won't allow their true feelings to be expressed. They evolved to be manipulative and put themselves in the best light possible at all times. Not a flaw, just a feature.
Women put gender before race every day...or there wouldn't be a black female copycat subculture based on man-hating.
Black feminism would NOT exist...white women helped birth that.
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I let other ethnic groups do their own things in their own countries and I am not going to police people who aren't within my community. I do not live in Africa or Jamaica, I am not from Africa or Jamaica, nor am I entitled to an opinion on African or Jamaican matters, GOOD SIR.
I also don't care about or support LGBT culture because some black people happen to be gay; who they sleep with at night, how they express themselves, and the consequences of doing such in places that don't tolerate them...is NOT my concern, because I'm not a homophile. Disagreement doesn't make one a suffix-PHOBE, either. PHOBOS means fear, you fukking idiots.
Stop playing stupid intersectional games with me. They can HYO? (can't say HYON to people who can't figure themselves out) and look for white support like usual.
Ironic you claim to be 'against' intersectionality while drawing a dividing line between you and other blacks when convenient for your arguments.

Newsflash brody: 'Black' and 'American' is an intersection.
 
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