Religion/Spirituality Do you really believe in Karma?

[noon]

The argument that good people are suffering so karma can't exist is a weak one. You don't know what people are paying for, your business should be worrying about yourself.

As equally weak as the argument that people are paying for something they've done in a former life.

However, dismissing the idea of karmic payback altogether isn't weak at all. What with the lack of any evidence an' all to support it. Your calling past lives logical doesn't make your argument true.

 

[Danie84]

You attract whatever energy you put out

 

[GetInTheTruck]

As equally weak as the argument that people are paying for something they've done in a former life.

However, dismissing the idea of karmic payback altogether isn't weak at all. What with the lack of any evidence an' all to support it. Your calling past lives logical doesn't make your argument true.

Never said it did, but if we are discussing karma people should understand how it's supposed to work.

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

theres so many things that the world would benefit from disproving.. the theory of karma predates everything we define as modern society.. and one of the few principles that we really dont need to argue against.. its positive.. it gives consciousness meaning.. and it fits in with lifes linkage/dependance/sharing principles.. if theres one thing which could be described as the downfall of society, its inequality.. karma is the antithesis of this.. we respect peoples religions when they bring them peace, karma cant be broken down into color and ethnicity.. its universal.. if you are trying to disprove karma then i can only assume you have done some thing(s) in your life which worry you..

 

[OsO]

So 'the unseen world' which anyone can define as anything, is something you see all the time when you close your eyes.

that's how YOU are choosing to define it.

i, in contrast, think the definition is much more complex.

Life after death which is a bit more specific, you haven't experienced.

my belief structure is different than yours, so once again im sure we're working from different definitions of life and death. i tend to lean more towards the school of thought that believes that "life" is existence as the eternal soul, and physical carnation is like "death," so to speak, because we are disconnected from who and what we truly are.

but like i said before, if we're basing this convo on philosophical thought we can explore these topics further. but if you're expecting scientific evidence confirming the existence of karma and reincarnation then we should just stop here.

 

[noon]

that's how YOU are choosing to define it.

i, in contrast, think the definition is much more complex.

I'm just saying what I see. Feel free to define it as you see fit. I don't define "the unseen world" because I don't use such a term because I don't live in Dungeons & Dragons.

my belief structure is different than yours, so once again im sure we're working from different definitions of life and death. i tend to lean more towards the school of thought that believes that "life" is existence as the eternal soul, and physical carnation is like "death," so to speak, because we are disconnected from who and what we truly are.

but like i said before, if we're basing this convo on philosophical thought we can explore these topics further. but if you're expecting scientific evidence confirming the existence of karma and reincarnation then we should just stop here.

This is all babble.

Science and scientific evidence is merely an explanation for everything we can see, hear and experience. Anything beyond that is not worth worrying about. If there's no evidence for the existence of karma what's the point in worrying about it? It's just stories.

 

[OsO]

This is all babble.

Science and scientific evidence is merely an explanation for everything we can see, hear and experience. Anything beyond that is not worth worrying about.

this is where you and i differ. i love postulating on the unknown, how else can we expand the parameters of our current understanding?

 

[acri1]

The argument that good people are suffering so karma can't exist is a weak one. You don't know what people are paying for, your business should be worrying about yourself. The idea that "I did something good so now I'm going to expect a reward because I deserve it" is a selfish one. That's not how karma works.

No, the idea that "your business should be worrying about yourself" is what's selfish. We need to concerned about our fellow man.

Really, I don't like this whole idea of karma because it gives people a way to rationalize away suffering and injustice in the world. Anytime you see something unfair or cruel happening to someone you can just say "well, he must've done something in a past life to deserve it, not my problem".

If that's not a way to rationalize being selfish, I don't know what is.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

No, the idea that "your business should be worrying about yourself" is what's selfish. We need to concerned about our fellow man.

Really, I don't like this whole idea of karma because it gives people a way to rationalize away suffering and injustice in the world. Anytime you see something unfair or cruel happening to someone you can just say "well, he must've done something in a past life to deserve it, not my problem".

If that's not a way to rationalize being selfish, I don't know what is.

Compassion for others and selflessness is worrying about oneself, it qualifies as action on ones own behalf and would contribute to good karma in theory. I understand what you're saying but I think you took what I said out of context.

 

[88m3]

I believe in death.

 

[Truth200]

I believe in death.

Your political views about Israel coincide with that, just like your avatar does....

I hope your getting paid well for your views on here, you gotta be on the clock to say what you do.

 

[Turk]

The argument that good people are suffering so karma can't exist is a weak one. You don't know what people are paying for, your business should be worrying about yourself. The idea that "I did something good so now I'm going to expect a reward because I deserve it" is a selfish one. That's not how karma works.

As for past lives the video I posted earlier in the thread gives you an idea of the philosophy behind that belief. Like I said, it is logical....whether you choose to believe it or not because of lack of scientific evidence is up to you

I'll post that vid again since it's some pages back:



when he says the "body changes" he means that as you get older, your body changes from child, teenager, to adult, to old man/woman, etc....but the soul remains unchanged.

I like what he said but fukk Prabupada for being a racist

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I like what he said but fukk Prabupada for being a racist

Its funny you mention this...there is a small hare Krishna temple/vegetarian restaurant in Richmond hill queens that I go to sometimes to get food when I'm in the area on Sundays after they have their weekly function, and I never knew there were so many black hare krishnas. I'm friendly with one of them and I asked him how he felt about prabhupadas racist comments but he kind of brushed it off which I found interesting. I didn't really press him on it because these dudes take that shyt kinda serious.

I feel like prabhupada got all those white followers over here so fast and started to feel himself after a while.

 

[Turk]

Its funny you mention this...there is a small hare Krishna temple/vegetarian restaurant in Richmond hill queens that I go to sometimes to get food when I'm in the area on Sundays after they have their weekly function, and I never knew there were so many black hare krishnas. I'm friendly with one of them and I asked him how he felt about prabhupadas racist comments but he kind of brushed it off which I found interesting. I didn't really press him on it because these dudes take that shyt kinda serious.

I feel like prabhupada got all those white followers over here so fast and started to feel himself after a while.

I don't know how those Black Hare Krishnas can do it. Once I found out about Prabupada being a racist I shunned their sect.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I don't know how those Black Hare Krishnas can do it. Once I found out about Prabupada being a racist I shunned their sect.

Yeah I can't shun that curry pumpkin though

Na but on some real shyt they are not well liked in India, they have been known to cause problems. Racist comments aside, Prabhupada came off as arrogant to a lot of people, he openly criticized other gurus and spiritual masters....and people weren't feeling how he would bring those white american converts over there acting like they were authorities on matters that were still relatively new to them. But his movement really took off in the west and because of that his organization had the money to throw its weight around.

With that said though, qualification wise, he was on point and no nonsense. His commentaries on the Bhagavad Gita and other scriptures are pretty top notch and very easy to read and grasp. Lifestyle wise he kept it real as far as I can tell, his movement was rich but he lived like a monk....that's why I find the racism perplexing. If there is actual audio of him saying those things I'd definitely want to hear them.