Doc Rivers vs Bill Simmons, who wins in a fight

[phillycavsfan]

Anyone with a brain knows that Ainge didn't want him there and Doc didn't want to be there anymore.

If this was the case why would Ainge give Doc a five year deal two years ago? Even back then Ainge knew rebuilding was coming sooner or later. Besides, that 7 million doesn't go under the cap, and it's not like the Celtics can't afford it. Coaches like Rivers don't spring up very often. It's in Boston's best interest to keep Rivers around.

BTW, a draft pick that's likely going to be in the 20's is hardly compensation for losing one of the best coaches in the league. They traded him because they refused to let Doc out of his contract.

 

[FTBS]

I'm still tryna figure out how he quit/didn't honor his commitment when the Celtics agreed to trade his ass. It's not like he just walked away. You can talk about the way he went about it all day but the fact is the Celtics had to sign off on it and they did. If it was that deep they coulda forced his hand.

at nikkas talking about commitment and keeping ones word or anything along those lines when the Celtics didn't hesitate to trade KG and Pierce only one year after re-signing them. Bu...bu...but they wanted to end their career as Celtics. I'm sure Humpries and Wallace were planning on going to Boston to rebuild when they signed their deals last year. No sports org ever warrants any sort of sympathy or defense on moral grounds.

Doc's only fukk up was actually responding to Simmons.

 

[TheNig]

nikka married a white bytch.

Tell me where I said I was supporting his cac wife?

 

[Trip]

teams quit on coaches all the time. fukk that, Doc played his cards right and won.

Fans are pieces of shyt for the most part.

Simmons wasn't angry at Doc for leaving though. He was annoyed he wouldn't admit why he actually left. Everyone knows he bolted bc the Celtics are going to suck the next few years.

 

[FTBS]

Simmons wasn't angry at Doc for leaving though. He was annoyed he wouldn't admit why he actually left. Everyone knows he bolted bc the Celtics are going to suck the next few years.

How many people in business actually keep it 100 about why they make the moves they make? Teams, players, and coaches tell blatant lies all the time.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Knicks hit dem nikkas with da deathblow and has them scattering like roaches


But doc clearly quit
Him and ainge are just real tight so they just put on a front. Ainge had no problem payin ainge 7 mil a year

 

[SwagKingKong]

If this was the case why would Ainge give Doc a five year deal two years ago? Even back then Ainge knew rebuilding was coming sooner or later. Besides, that 7 million doesn't go under the cap, and it's not like the Celtics can't afford it. Coaches like Rivers don't spring up very often. It's in Boston's best interest to keep Rivers around.

BTW, a draft pick that's likely going to be in the 20's is hardly compensation for losing one of the best coaches in the league. They traded him because they refused to let Doc out of his contract.

Well, for starters, why did they give PP and KG a deal that would've lasted next season too? Obviously, they didn't know when the re-build would come and how it would look. Ainge has decided to do a full rebuild, which basically mean = save money while collecting assets. Doc Rivers would've been wasted in Boston, especially at his contract.

It would be like paying Phil Jackson 10 mill during a re-build, what's the point?

 

[*Hulks Up*]

If this was the case why would Ainge give Doc a five year deal two years ago? Even back then Ainge knew rebuilding was coming sooner or later. Besides, that 7 million doesn't go under the cap, and it's not like the Celtics can't afford it. Coaches like Rivers don't spring up very often. It's in Boston's best interest to keep Rivers around.

BTW, a draft pick that's likely going to be in the 20's is hardly compensation for losing one of the best coaches in the league. They traded him because they refused to let Doc out of his contract.

Yeah, I always saw that 7 million a year as something as a reward for coaching a team that wasn't going to compete for anything. That hurt's Doc rep as an 'elite' coach, most coaches with titles don't usually go back to being coaches of rebuilding teams, there are some exceptions here and there but in general elite coaches continue to coach playoff caliber or higher teams.

Doc gets alot of criticism for the terrible Bostons teams but people need to go back and look at the roster and give it a honest look, Doc did okay and those pre McGrady Magic teams lead by Darrell Armstrong played .500 ball in the East when it was still relevant.

 

[phillycavsfan]

I'm still tryna figure out how he quit/didn't honor his commitment when the Celtics agreed to trade his ass. It's not like he just walked away. You can talk about the way he went about it all day but the fact is the Celtics had to sign off on it and they did. If it was that deep they coulda forced his hand.

at nikkas talking about commitment and keeping ones word or anything along those lines when the Celtics didn't hesitate to trade KG and Pierce only one year after re-signing them. Bu...bu...but they wanted to end their career as Celtics. I'm sure Humpries and Wallace were planning on going to Boston to rebuild when they signed their deals last year. No sports org ever warrants any sort of sympathy or defense on moral grounds.

Doc's only fukk up was actually responding to Simmons.

You can't trade a coach without his permission. When you're trading a coach in reality the coach is agreeing to a mutual termination of his contract and immediately signing with the other team.

 

[FTBS]

You can't trade a coach without his permission. When you're trading a coach in reality the coach is agreeing to a mutual termination of his contract and immediately signing with the other team.

And a coach can't be traded without the team being complicit. How does a mutual agreement=quitting/not honoring you commitment?

 

[phillycavsfan]

Well, for starters, why did they give PP and KG a deal that would've lasted next season too? Obviously, they didn't know when the re-build would come and how it would look. Ainge has decided to do a full rebuild, which basically mean = save money while collecting assets. Doc Rivers would've been wasted in Boston, especially at his contract.

It would be like paying Phil Jackson 10 mill during a re-build, what's the point?

Phil coached the Lakers the year after they won only 34 games.

A full rebuild involves players, not coaches. Rebuilding involves clearing cap space, getting younger, and acquiring draft picks and tradeable assets, not getting rid of a great coach. Doc doesn't get traded to LA without Doc admitting to Boston ownership that he'd rather coach a winner. All he had to do was admit that, not spit some bullshyt about how Ainge pushed him out.

 

[Trip]

How many people in business actually keep it 100 about why they make the moves they make? Teams, players, and coaches tell blatant lies all the time.

Of course everyone lies. I just don't see the shame in admitting why you bailed. Don't tip toe around it.

 

[SwagKingKong]

Phil coached the Lakers the year after they won only 34 games.

A full rebuild involves players, not coaches. Rebuilding involves clearing cap space, getting younger, and acquiring draft picks and tradeable assets, not getting rid of a great coach. Doc doesn't get traded to LA without Doc admitting to Boston ownership that he'd rather coach a winner. All he had to do was admit that, not spit some bullshyt about how Ainge pushed him out.

Yeah, but Lakers weren't rebuilding though. It's a difference between saying yeah we were terrible this year, but we're keeping our best pieces and try to reload and eventually win a championship. Phil Jackson or Lakers aren't interested in him coaching there if they said, hey, let's trade Kobe and Odom.

Again, it's absolutely pointless to have an overpaid coach on the payroll during a rebuild that'll probably take some years. Absolutely pointless. Ainge knew exactly what he did when he told Doc that Pierce was getting traded or waived, and he knew exactly how KG would react too.

Smh, people actually believe that Ainge wanted to keep Doc through a rebuild. Ainge knew all along that the only way to get KG to waive his no trade clause is to get Doc and PP out of there. Once Ainge couldn't ship KG/Doc to the same place, he had to settle for trading PP and KG together to make sure that he would waive his no trade clause.

 

[*Hulks Up*]

Of course everyone lies. I just don't see the shame in admitting why you bailed. Don't tip toe around it.

Ray Allen gave them the blue print on how to leave Boston but he was man enough to deal with all the "traitor" talk and basically his rep is intact and no worse for it (helps that he won another ring and balled out in the last 2 games).

 

[Trip]

Ray Allen gave them the blue print on how to leave Boston but he was man enough to deal with all the "traitor" talk and basically his rep is intact and no worse for it (helps that he won another ring and balled out in the last 2 games).

Exactly and he still got a standing ovation when he came back.