does prayer work?

[Marc Spector]

hahahaha fukk no.

if it works, tell it to the thousands of praying people dying horrible slow deaths at this very moment.

 

[Marc Spector]

Many people take issue with faith in God when confronted with instances of "innocents who suffer"

My thinking is this. ....1. God Himself came to earth as a complete innocent and SUFFERED. They did Jesus who was literally the only perfect person ever. ...so dirty. 2. God Himself said "my thoughts are not your thoughts and my ways are not your ways" 3. Humans are very arrogant and we will scoff at out own very Creator if he doesn't run the world HE created and managed to our tastes.

In the book of Job.... (another innocent you suffered....see the theme) they asked God why he would do job this way! Who the hell did he think he was? God answered.

Tell me what sun you caused to rise and caused to set? Basically. ....who do yall think yall are to tell God how to do and be GOD? such ignorance (Imma go to bible gateway and post the actual text)

People don't work to understand God as a being. ...with feelings and plans. Instead, He is falsely seen as some faceless figure or genie that must please all people at all times....and if he doesn't he's failed and further.....doesn't even exist. Let that sink in. We know how much God loves us .....it's embarrassing how little so many of us lover him back.

1. So jesus himself came to earth and suffered, and his takeaway from the horrible fate he suffered is: "Well shyt i was perfect and they still did me wrong, so y'all nikkas can take it"? SO instead of doing something to correct the horrible flaw that causes humans to be dikks, God just says "y'all are on your own"? Sounds mighty convenient.

2. HE CREATED US. AND IS OMNIPOTENT RULER OF THE UNIVERSE. BULLshyt.

3. Its little to do with arrogance and more to do with the fact that the authoritarian god you nikkas worship has the nerve to tell US how to act yet theres no hard proof that he's practicing what he's preaching. OH WAIT MY BAD, HE GETS ALL THE CREDIT FOR THE GOOD STUFF LIKE THE SUN RISING, BUT NOT FOR KILLING THOUSANDS OF HAITIANS..

 

[Kamikaze Revy]

Yes

 

[agpxknt]

Slaves prayed but nothing happened. So I doubt it

thread shoulda ended rite here

 

[scarlxrd]

I actually can't find the article for this anymore. It had nothing to do with Christianity, though. You do not need to be Christian to pray, lol.

you don't say...

Prayer is bad for your health -- http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html

Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found.

And patients who knew they were being prayed for had a higher rate of post-operative complications like abnormal heart rhythms, perhaps because of the expectations the prayers created, the researchers suggested.

Because it is the most scientifically rigorous investigation of whether prayer can heal illness, the study, begun almost a decade ago and involving more than 1,800 patients, has for years been the subject of speculation.

Same article

At least one earlier study found lower complication rates in patients who received intercessory prayers; others found no difference. A 1997 study at the University of New Mexico, involving 40 alcoholics in rehabilitation, found that the men and women who knew they were being prayed for actually fared worse.

 

[the cac mamba]

I actually can't find the article for this anymore. It had nothing to do with Christianity, though. You do not need to be Christian to pray, lol.

yeah, but these idiots get their concept of 'god' answering 'prayers' from christianity

completely ridiculous story, with no basis in fact, a thousand other competing religions, and this dude god has never revealed himself to us. and yet people think he cares if they pass a test or some shyt

 

[Lewis Black]

thread shoulda ended rite here

Some idiot asked me if I'm a slave now lol smh

 

[Dominoes]

No... At least not in the way we're taught

If it did the world wouldn't be run by a bunch of sociopaths that stem from a group of humans that make up 1/10th of earth's human population

 

[Ronald McDonald]

when i was like 9 i was playing all star baseball 2005 on PS2 as a kid and I was losing by 2 runs in the 9th inning with 2 outs and the bases loaded. I paused the game and got down on my knees and prayed to god for a homerun and said that if i hit it, i would say my prayers every night before bed for the rest of my life.

lo and behold i hit a grand slam on the next pitch. for as much hate as he gets, the lord is alright with me.

hope hes not mad i didnt hold up my end of the deal tho.

 

[PeridotPuss]

1. So jesus himself came to earth and suffered, and his takeaway from the horrible fate he suffered is: "Well shyt i was perfect and they still did me wrong, so y'all nikkas can take it"? SO instead of doing something to correct the horrible flaw that causes humans to be dikks, God just says "y'all are on your own"? Sounds mighty convenient.

2. HE CREATED US. AND IS OMNIPOTENT RULER OF THE UNIVERSE. BULLshyt.

3. Its little to do with arrogance and more to do with the fact that the authoritarian god you nikkas worship has the nerve to tell US how to act yet theres no hard proof that he's practicing what he's preaching. OH WAIT MY BAD, HE GETS ALL THE CREDIT FOR THE GOOD STUFF LIKE THE SUN RISING, BUT NOT FOR KILLING THOUSANDS OF HAITIANS..

1. The takeaway is life on earth is not without suffering.....for anyone. Even God suffered. Who told you you were entitled to a life without it? Who do you know that has a life here without any suffering? Where did you even get the concept of a suffering-free life from.... and who told you, you were owed it? This is like saying each person should be able to shyt rainbows for fun and since they don't, God ain't shyt and if you were God everyone would shyt rainbows. ....

More directly, you personally feel that if you were omnipotent you would not allow suffering....yet you likely have caused some form of suffering to someone else, maybe even people you love. ..without even having that breadth of limitless power....who is to say what you would do if you had it. .. yes, suffering is an unpleasant aspect of human life. We do not live in a utopia.

2. You made not one damn point here and in all caps at that. If you don believe....then don't.

3. God didn't go and decree the deaths of thousands of Haitians. God created storms, wind, oceans, earthquakes, wildfires, floods. Tons of different manifestations of weather. Do you care about all the Asians killed in the tsunamis? The homes of the animals killed by fires and floods? Or would you like to continue to project your limited ideas of who should live and who should die onto God and then reject Him when He's not redirecting the whole course of the universe by your uniformed biased and likely ever-changing opinions? the only one with some "nerve" in that scenario. ....is you breh.

 

[Squirtle]

Does prayer work? Whatever situation you are going through, it seems everything you tried on your own brought no results. So now out of desperation you are considering praying, why else would you ask if it works? Try it and find out for yourself, what do you have to lose? But to answer your question yes, prayer works. Not how we want it to however, the Lord works according to His will and ways, and we need to pray for His will to be done. I'm starting to learn that myself. But yes it does work.

Ephesians 3:20: Now unto Him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

He is able to do all things better and beyond anything we can ask or think, I find that incredible.

 

[fkthisgaysite]

So is this "God" at work or is this merely a coincidence? Can you prove the former?

It depends on who my Mother prayed to (Jesus) but I suppose that's a moot point. I don't believe in coincidences. I can not prove the former, which is why I only mention of having "personal experiences" instead of trying to explain them.

you don't say...

Prayer is bad for your health -- http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html



Same article

This is more than likely the one I stumbled across, as it is the most recent I can find (tbh, I thought I read it on TheColi): Science Proves the Healing Power of Prayer

Re-reading it, I see what you have been getting at. Not to mention, who the fukk is newsmax? Anyway, I was incorrect to state my opinion as a fact, especially without proper investigation from several credible sources. However, I still believe prayer to be real and effective because again, personal experiences like the one I described in a previous post.

 

[Squirtle]

Praying - communication with God and spirit. Actively speaking to God and asking for His will and power to intervene in your life....effectively releasing the free will you've been given and limited power you have to do things your way...and asking Him to get involved and do it His way. He is a God of wonders.

Hoping - having a feeling or emotion of hope for a desired outcome. Looking toward the future that has not yet manifested. You do not need to speak to hope, you do not need to pray to hope.

Wishing for the best outcome - this is an idea that is thrown in to no particular direction or to God. A wish is just an intense desire or idea with no faith behind it, it's less effective and active than hope or prayer.

Yes, prayer works. I have seen miracles. I pray as much and for as many people as I can. When things are good and when things are bad. Prayer is the most powerful tool we have as human beings.

Really enjoyed the bolded brother, thanks for the reminder.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

@PeridotPuss has dropped some Gems in this thread...

 

[onthereal]

I think you're trying to "prove" certain things to yourself. I'm comfortable with my beliefs.

What I'm not going to do is list all of God's wonder in my life so whatever demon in your head today can pick it apart and mock it in public.

Frankly....not worth it.

I don't know why you care what I believe and you can assume you're much smarter than me and far too smart to believe in God....if that's what gives you peace.

God does in fact exist and to counter your point it hasn't been "proven" that He doesn't either. So....do you.

Why should I have to claim God doesn't exist? You're the one making the claim that he does. I'm asking you to simply show me that he does. Why do you try to fade that?