Does the South's reign in rap have more to do with the culture of the USA than the culture of NY?

[DirtyHarryPurtyLarry]

Southern United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So Amerikkka doesn't think New Mexico and Arizona are "thesouth" because of all the native americans that claim those areas?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

So Amerikkka doesn't think New Mexico and Arizona are "thesouth" because of all the native americans that claim those areas?

The Southern United States—commonly referred to as the American South, Dixie, or simply the South—is a region of the United States of America. The South does not exactly match the geographic south, but is predominantly located in the southeastern corner; Arizona and New Mexico, which are geographically in the southern part of the country, are rarely considered part of the Southern United States, while West Virginia, which separated from Virginia in 1863,[2] commonly is.[3][4][5]

The popular definition of the "South" is more informal and generally associated with the 11 states that seceded before or during the Civil War to form the Confederate States of America.[41] In order of their secession, these were: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina. These states share commonalities of history and culture that carry on to the present day. Oklahoma was not a state during the Civil War, but all its major Native American tribes signed formal treaties of alliance with the Confederacy

 

[DirtyHarryPurtyLarry]

Now I undertand why a team was named the YANKEES and every state south of New York hated them from the get.
Then you had the "dodgers" of Brooklyn who were named for dodging trollies near Ebbett's field, and the YANKEES thought themselves were the "toast of NY" while the dodgers were "DEM BUMS"
Makes sense now

 

[DirtyHarryPurtyLarry]

The first African American in baseball. ^

the south's "reign" has to do with the culture of the tri state. Not AMERICA as a whole.

 

[50CentStan]

The truth is the new audience, white teens, southern rap is more "entertaining" to them.

 

[DirtyHarryPurtyLarry]

The truth is the new audience, white teens, southern rap is more "entertaining" to them.

see, then I'm misunderstanding the thread title.

If the south has a reign in rap, it is because of what you just typed
but it's also because they were last to get at the game kind of. Usually the late bloomers win the race, history repeats that always

 

[Rekkapryde]

No. South took over hip hop cuz NY fell off due to beef and crab in a barrel ass nikkas, and west coast nikkas were still tryna replicate The Chronic and Doggystyle, while possessing nowhere near the talent of Dre and Snoop so the music was trash in return.

Don't forget crossing over becoming "acceptable" too

 

[Rekkapryde]

New York City just isn't admired to the rest of the country like it was in the 90s. They had a lot of diverse, unique talented artist that you had to respect and listen to. They pretty much told us how NYC was and the culture, it was fascinating. The terms and slang. Dudes like me didn't know what a bodega was. NYC seemed like a different world to us. NYC use to get all of the latest fashions first, set all the trends. Not anymore, they're followers now. The culture in NYC has changed and it's not as interesting. How can a new artist from NYC make NYC culture seem more interesting than Nas did? Than Prodigy did? DMX, Hov, the Lox, AZ, Fab? Dipset? Maybe NYC had too much diverse talent back then. Maybe they gave all NYC had to offer?

New Orleans is the same way on a smaller scale. The city just isn't what it was before Katrina. That feel is gone. No way in hell can another artist expose you to New Orleans the way B.G did. You can never create that feeling of when 400 Degreez dropped. The culture down here has change.

America as a whole was way different in the 90s and before the internet blow up. Back then you wanted to know a lot more about your favorite artist background. Now, I could care less about where Ross is from. I don't care to know what Miami is like. I just want good music. But back in the 90s. I want to see what Nas and Big was rapping about. I had to read their articles in Source, Vibe and XXL. You wanted to know what shoes and gear they was rocking.


Music was waaayyy more concentrated than. Now someone has added too much water in this game.

very true as well.

 

[50CentStan]

The South has produced several superstars (OutKast, Ludacris, Juvenile, T.I., Master P). The South had more than just some jingles. Scarface was a huge influence on Biggie, Jay, Beans, Juelz and a lot of other East Coast MC's. Not just MC's from NY, but he also influenced Pac. That's just one Southern artist. The South's impact on Hip Hop can't be downplayed especially it's impact on '90's Hip Hop.

Pac was always a NY rapper, I mean come on son, his name was MC New York. he repped Cali at the end of his life, but he will always be a NY brother. The GOATs come from NY, Pac, Big, Nas, 50, Jay. The environment in NY isn't the same for the past 10 years for your everyday joe schmo in the BX, Queens, Harlem, BK, so you cant expect them to be the same caliber artist as the dudes listed above.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

the south's "reign" has to do with the culture of the tri state. Not AMERICA as a whole.

The South taking over is simply because it was "their time" and a new sound. It's not like Southern HipHop was new. People are forgetting that Miami Bass was one of the early sounds of HipHop that pushed it into mainstream.






NY Boom Bap had it's time and West Coast G Funk had it's time. People (the masses) were ready for a newer sound and they found it in Southern HipHop who were innovating newer sounds which is really why The East started jacking from them.

The truth is the new audience, white teens, southern rap is more "entertaining" to them.

The Southern sounds that came out of Timbaland and Neptunes and then the whole Crunk->Trap wave was more compatible to the changing sounds of modern global pop. If you noticed the old boom bap rap NYC sound is related to the sounds of 90's EDM through breakbeats.








W/o boom bap rap, there would have never been Hip HOuse, Jungle, Drum and Bass and Trip Hop.





Today, you see the same thing with Southern Sounds of Trap,





permeating all through modern popular music from Rap to EDM to basic Pop

 

[richaveli83]

I will always miss and love that ignorant ratchet early 2000s era

Where a rapper would be chilling in the hood with a whole bunch of rowdy goons talking wild shyt and shouting out random sets

If NYC wants to get back on top, ya need to revisit this type of energy. This was the blueprint for all the fly gangsta n drill music. Except chiraq cats are less charismatic and more savage.

I miss those days

 

[Knicksman20]

The truth is the new audience, white teens, southern rap is more "entertaining" to them.

I wouldn't call them new but they're pushing the culture at the moment. How many of them were fans of Rakim, KRS, Nas & Public Enemy? Not many I imagine because that's when hip hop catered to the Black experience & most Black people no matter the hood could relate to them because of that.

Edit: I meant to add that white people relate to the message being pushed now by southern rap: partying, being drugged up, & liking that ignorance

 

[richaveli83]

A lot of priceless gems being dropped in this thread.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

@IllmaticDelta Virginia was "east coast/north" on the hip hop map until around 2004, fam.
Supafriendz pre-dated all "southern sounding" VA rappers and even 757 brehs were on that "up north" fashion and slang tip. VA was an NY playground and Timbaland/Neptunes had a hip hop based style slightly influenced by SMK (from memphis) but still breakbeat-centered. 804 rap used to be backpack as fukk. The same with NC...now that being a "bamma" is cool, they switched it up, and that's why they have no rappers.
It was called UP SOUTH for the longest. Same with Louisville, KY and other cities of that nature.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@IllmaticDelta Virginia was "east coast/north" on the hip hop map until around 2004, fam.
Supafriendz pre-dated all "southern sounding" VA rappers and even 757 brehs were on that "up north" fashion and slang tip. VA was an NY playground and Timbaland/Neptunes had a hip hop based style slightly influenced by SMK (from memphis) but still breakbeat-centered. 804 rap used to be backpack as fukk. The same with NC...now that being a "bamma" is cool, they switched it up, and that's why they have no rappers.
It was called UP SOUTH for the longest. Same with Louisville, KY and other cities of that nature.

Well, all of the South at one point was break beat based outside of Miami Bass but I see what you mean. That Timbo sound was one of the first HipHop sounds in the mainstream to have that "southern bounce" to it. So even though they didn't sound Southern vocally, the music had that Southern lilt.