Double Talk Dave didn't like the WWE Hype Of Lesnar on Raw

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Nowhere near as credible or as known as Bruno, Hogan, Rock, Savage, Flair, or even little Bret Hart.

Bruno held the belt for 7 years str8...kayfabe wise, thats like being Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson at the same time. Cena cant compare to Rock and Austin because he didnt have a WCW or ECW to face and they broke those companies by sell outs, being more watched, and being more influential than all of them put together. Cena used to copy Rocky all the time in 07. Youre just a kid and u forgot that but i didnt. Cena could never replace the original which was why they ran to him at WM 27 and 28 to begin with. Cena couldnt lead or carry on his own and fell off.

Fans used to cheer Umaga and Wade Barrett over Cena and youre comparing him to real legends because Vince lets him win most of his main event matches? U should have more sense than that.

Again, kayfabe wise he has the most title wins of all time, most PPV main events of all time, defeated every star of his generation, plus top (including THE top) stars from the previous generation. From a business stand point, he's been in charge of WWE's most profitable year ever (2006, I believe), and has sold more merch than any top guy ever. He's literally made WWE more money than anyone ever. With a longer time on top than any top guy ever. Keeping the company afloat in the wake of dudes dying and killing their families, multiple recessions, and wars. Being the most popular Make a Wish dude of all time.

The Bruno/Backlund/Hogan/Macho days had dudes wrestling far less on TV/PPV, which means far fewer title defenses and matches in general. Cena up until the last 2 years or so wrestled more on TV/PPV in a year than Hogan did the entire Hulkamania run. Bruno had about 800 matches for his entire WWF career, including his part time role in the mid-late 80s. Cena has double that just from the time he first became champion. Dude has been an insane asset to WWE and it is pretty hard to argue that he isn't the legit GOAT champ of all time for them.

Consider that they were calling Austin the greatest champion in company history in 1998. During his first reign. And basically every promotion ever has done similar things when hyping their current type guy. In this case, Cena really probably is the GOAT for WWE. WWE's Mt. Rushmore would be Cena, Rock, Hogan, Austin built on a foundation of Bruno.

I don't want to hear that "ur just a dumb kid shyt" when you're being willfully ignorant of history, context, and the changing of the business with the advent of weekly TV and monthly PPVs. Bret, Savage, and Flair aren't even in the running from a numbers stand point. Flair especially was NOT a draw for WWE at all.
 
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I think Meltzer's right, you can promote effectively without using grandiose rhetoric nobody believes. In fact, that kind of rhetoric probably hurts the crediblity of the commentary for the long term.
He's just mAd cause he was predicting Brock Losing to hunt and saying how wwe got swerved by ufc by letting him fight hunt . He was legitimately trying to say that no one in wwe would know who hunt is and be like duhh ok :ehh:. He's a reporter that prints false rumors and routinely calls anything puro match of the year
 

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Ding Ding Ding. The game has to evolve with the times. If the hype makes everyone in attendance and watching on TV roll their eyes, it's not doing a good job.

Lesnar's line was not "eyeroll" worthy for people that buy into WWE hype. Sure, for people that follow combat sports it's bullshyt, but the casual and even average WWE fan? Could care less about it. Therefore, there's no need for a damn rant and treat it like a big deal.

Taker's "best pure striker ever" line is way more "offensive" than what WWE did with Brock and nobody gave a flying fukk about it when Michael Cole said it every week (at least not to the point of doing an upset rant about it).

Dave can get upset about what he wants, but this was a prime example of "Dave being Dave" :manny:
 

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Lesnar's line was not "eyeroll" worthy for people that buy into WWE hype. Sure, for people that follow combat sports it's bullshyt, but the casual and even average WWE fan? Could care less about it. Therefore, there's no need for a damn rant and treat it like a big deal.

Taker's "best pure striker ever" line is way more "offensive" than what WWE did with Brock and nobody gave a flying fukk about it when Michael Cole said it every week (at least not to the point of doing an upset rant about it).

Dave can get upset about what he wants, but this was a prime example of "Dave being Dave" :manny:

Let's not forget that UFC itself started running with the "Is Brock the greatest heavyweight of all time?" as soon as he beat Randy. And the hype for the Hunt fight was "when healthy, Brock might be the best heavyweight in the world, and you'll finally get to see him at 100%". Anyone they're pushing hard is the GOAT or maybe GOAT of whatever division. A year from now when Dana is on TV trying to hide his boner while saying Sage Northcutt might be the greatest lightweight in the world/history, Dave is going to be so upset.
 

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Nowhere near as credible or as known as Bruno, Hogan, Rock, Savage, Flair, or even little Bret Hart.

Bruno held the belt for 7 years str8...kayfabe wise, thats like being Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson at the same time. Cena cant compare to Rock and Austin because he didnt have a WCW or ECW to face and they broke those companies by sell outs, being more watched, and being more influential than all of them put together. Cena used to copy Rocky all the time in 07. Youre just a kid and u forgot that but i didnt. Cena could never replace the original which was why they ran to him at WM 27 and 28 to begin with. Cena couldnt lead or carry on his own and fell off.

Fans used to cheer Umaga and Wade Barrett over Cena and youre comparing him to real legends because Vince lets him win most of his main event matches? U should have more sense than that.
Cena just hosted the espys alongside some of the most famous athletes ever
yeT bret hart in his prime is more famous :scusthov:
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Lesnar's line was not "eyeroll" worthy for people that buy into WWE hype. Sure, for people that follow combat sports it's bullshyt, but the casual and even average WWE fan? Could care less about it. Therefore, there's no need for a damn rant and treat it like a big deal.

Taker's "best pure striker ever" line is way more "offensive" than what WWE did with Brock and nobody gave a flying fukk about it when Michael Cole said it every week (at least not to the point of doing an upset rant about it).

Dave can get upset about what he wants, but this was a prime example of "Dave being Dave" :manny:
He routinely reports rumors and speculation and then over here getting mad at stuff said during the body of a fictional tv show. He routinely also overhypes shows. He just mad
 

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Again, kayfabe wise he has the most title wins of all time, most PPV main events of all time, defeated every star of his generation, plus top (including THE top) stars from the previous generation. From a business stand point, he's been in charge of WWE's most profitable year ever (2006, I believe), and has sold more merch than any top guy ever. He's literally made WWE more money than anyone ever. With a longer time on top than any top guy ever. Keeping the company afloat in the wake of dudes dying and killing their families, multiple recessions, and wars. Being the most popular Make a Wish dude of all time.

The Bruno/Backlund/Hogan/Macho days had dudes wrestling far less on TV/PPV, which means far fewer title defenses and matches in general. Cena up until the last 2 years or so wrestled more on TV/PPV in a year than Hogan did the entire Hulkamania run. Bruno had about 800 matches for his entire WWF career, including his part time role in the mid-late 80s. Cena has double that just from the time he first became champion. Dude has been an insane asset to WWE and it is pretty hard to argue that he isn't the legit GOAT champ of all time for them.

Consider that they were calling Austin the greatest champion in company history in 1998. During his first reign. And basically every promotion ever has done similar things when hyping their current type guy. In this case, Cena really probably is the GOAT for WWE. WWE's Mt. Rushmore would be Cena, Rock, Hogan, Austin built on a foundation of Bruno.

I don't want to hear that "ur just a dumb kid shyt" when you're being willfully ignorant of history, context, and the changing of the business with the advent of weekly TV and monthly PPVs. Bret, Savage, and Flair aren't even in the running from a numbers stand point. Flair especially was NOT a draw for WWE at all.
Nobody cares about most title wins except Cripple H, Flair, and Cena. That's about it. It never got anyone over...being great gets you over historically. Jake the Snake Roberts was never champion and had more character and presence than Cena ever did.

The real icons wrestled far less because they actually drew and built up their appearances to matter. These days Cena showing up after another injury time out is worthless. It means nothing. He has no iconic promos, nothing that was really big until the Rock match which was of course all about the Rock returning, and proving how inferior this era was.

Nobody cares about how many times Cena wrestles a year because he's not selling anything out all the time and he's not breaking records. He's not getting ratings up..he's not getting buys up. He's a pushed star who they let hold the belt a lot during a certain time frame. They did the same thing for Edge and Cripple H. They just don't measure up to real company carriers like Savage, Hogan, Rocky, Austin, and Goldberg.

Who cares about Flair in WWE...Flair is one of the greatest Down South Draws ever. Legitimately. Not by fluff like with Cena.
 
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