Dr. Ellis on Michael Eric Dyson, Cornel West and the Black Cultural Crisis

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The UNIA has fallen off heavy up here in the Northeast.

I can believe it breh.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

i dont blame all black people for chief keef, i blame a group of greedy negroes and greedy white executives for chief keef

i do blame black people in general for not confronting the people behind chief keef



you can elaborate your point all you want but its not like somebody is misunderstanding you, i get it, white supremacy is at the core of whats wrong and black people cannot move forward until we confront white supremacy....did i miss something?

i understand the view you are espousing i just point blank dont agree with it, imo you are like baldwin, you are talking to the wind, and 50 years from you will still be talking to the wind, because fundamentally its a morality based argument and morality is a weak motivator for humans

black people are fully capable of addressing black issues, with or without white people or white supremacy, the fact that you find that hard to believe just means that you yourself are a victim of white supremacy

Do no attempt to make my points for me, to strengthen your own terrible argument.

Nobody, let me repeat, nobody said blacks should not deal with they issues, nobody said we should wait for "whitey" to change our situation. You attempted to allude to white people having no involvement at all in a lame attempt to exonerate them from all wrongdoing then once your wack ass argument got destroyed you moved the chains to try to make the argument about black people doing something for themselves which once again nobody disagreed with.

All I'm doing is exposing the real, you ain't concerned with blacks who won't do nothing for themselves, this shyt is just you playing task master making sure white folks don't get the blame. You can disagree but offer nothing but "c00n" "new black" bullshyt solutions and catch phrases thinking you got a epiphany on this whole society thing. You don't, c00ns talking like you talk been here forever they are just easily forgotten cause they solutions are insincere and again they are only there to protect massa.

Everywhere you go on the planet where the black and white dynamic exist, it's the the same social construct we live with here, white people on top with the economic and political power, black people on the bottom with crumbs. Ain't no chief keef in Brazil, South Africa, France, Cuba, Puerto Rico , Dominican Republic etc where this dynamic continues to exist. If you think this some spooky bullshyt on why that is, again you are shortsighted and misinformed. It's by design and exposing that design and breaking that social construct is equally as important as educating ourselves and economically empowering ourselves .

But c00n on breh

 

[theworldismine13]

Do no attempt to make my points for me, to strengthen your own terrible argument.

Nobody, let me repeat, nobody said blacks should not deal with they issues, nobody said we should wait for "whitey" to change our situation. You attempted to allude to white people having no involvement at all in a lame attempt to exonerate them from all wrongdoing then once your wack ass argument got destroyed you moved the chains to try to make the argument about black people doing something for themselves which once again nobody disagreed with.

All I'm doing is exposing the real, you ain't concerned with blacks who won't do nothing for themselves, this shyt is just you playing task master making sure white folks don't get the blame. You can disagree but offer nothing but "c00n" "new black" bullshyt solutions and catch phrases thinking you got a epiphany on this whole society thing. You don't, c00ns talking like you talk been here forever they are just easily forgotten cause they solutions are insincere and again they are only there to protect massa.

Everywhere you go on the planet where the black and white dynamic exist, it's the the same social construct we live with here, white people on top with the economic and political power, black people on the bottom with crumbs. Ain't no chief keef in Brazil, South Africa, France, Cuba, Puerto Rico , Dominican Republic etc where this dynamic continues to exist. If you think this some spooky bullshyt on why that is, again you are shortsighted and misinformed. It's by design and exposing that design and breaking that social construct is equally as important as educating ourselves and economically empowering ourselves .

But c00n on breh

all you are doing is repeating yourself, i guess your latest phraseology is "worldwide social construct" and yeah im disagreeing with the notion that fighting the "worldwide social construct" is as important as education and economics

 

[cornercommission2k12]

all you are doing is repeating yourself, i guess your latest phraseology is "worldwide social construct" and yeah im disagreeing that fighting the "worldwide social construct" is as important as education and economics

At this point you are literally offering nothing. You saying you disagree and gave an opinion with nothing substantial to back it up. At this point i just feel I'm posting back and forth with a automated system called the "ic00n" that just auto replies to those trying to be revolutionary and discourage them with redundant c00n responses and catchphrases.

We waking up. c00ns can't stop it. They will just do what they always do, sit on the sideline protecting massa repeat nonsense to dissuade revolutionaries then once the revolutionary prevails front and act like they were always there fighting for equality and justice

 

[DEAD7]

"Non achievers" seemingly find a way around a system designed to screw them over(via crime, music, sports, etc).
Their success is what draws the youth to them and exalts them.

In an attempt to succeed many follow in their footsteps.

 

[Micky Mikey]

At this point you are literally offering nothing. You saying you disagree and gave an opinion with nothing substantial to back it up. At this point i just feel I'm posting back and forth with a automated system called the "ic00n" that just auto replies to those trying to be revolutionary and discourage them with redundant c00n responses and catchphrases.

We waking up. c00ns can't stop it. They will just do what they always do, sit on the sideline protecting massa repeat nonsense to dissuade revolutionaries then once the revolutionary prevails front and act like they were always there fighting for equality and justice

Your Marxist pseudo black revolution will never materialize. Its beyond my understanding why you so called militants persist on demanding justice from whites and the government. The answer relies in where we put our dollars and how we educate our children. All this pseudo black revolutionary crap is fruitless. The community is in decline and is in a moral slumber. And until you address those issues you really cant be taken seriously.

 

[theworldismine13]

At this point you are literally offering nothing. You saying you disagree and gave an opinion with nothing substantial to back it up. At this point i just feel I'm posting back and forth with a automated system called the "ic00n" that just auto replies to those trying to be revolutionary and discourage them with redundant c00n responses and catchphrases.

We waking up. c00ns can't stop it. They will just do what they always do, sit on the sideline protecting massa repeat nonsense to dissuade revolutionaries then once the revolutionary prevails front and act like they were always there fighting for equality and justice

im saying i disagree because you keep on repeating and elaborating that same thing over and over

and nah i dont agree with fighting a "worldwide social construct", im not sure what you mean by equality and justice, im for black domination, i do agree with with fighting for individual rights and economics rights tho if that is what you mean

i came into the thread to cosign the video in the op, because ive always said that culture is the most important thing

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Your Marxist pseudo black revolution will never materialize. Its beyond my understanding why you so called militants persist on demanding justice from whites and the government. The answer relies in where we put our dollars and how we educate our children. All this pseudo black revolutionary crap is fruitless. The community is in decline and is in a moral slumber. And until you address those issues you really cant be taken seriously.

Find the post where I said don't educate our children? Find the post where i said we didn't need economic empowerment? Can't find that right? In fact you can't find where any of us said that was not needed.

Again , this is all about y'all making sure white folks don't get attacked. Just keep it real. Don't make the argument what you want to make it.

 

[theworldismine13]

Find the post where I said don't educate our children? Find the post where i said we didn't need economic empowerment? Can't find that right? In fact you can't find where any of us said that was not needed.

Again , this is all about y'all making sure white folks don't get attacked. Just keep it real. Don't make the argument what you want to make it.

nobody was saying that you are against education or economic empowerment, the issue is that you were saying that to address those things first white supremacy and the "worldwide social construct" has to be addressed

 

[Blackking]

Dysons book on Cosby and the black middle class was on point and 80% correct'.. probably 100%.. I have to read it again now that im older.

I don't even like dyson... but we need to understand who is really creating these divisions.

And these so called academics who down play racism.. I see why they do it But... why can't you build a community, develop nuclear families, adjust the culture etc...... and still be aware of white supremacy??

Its idiotic and damn near a betrayal for these fakkits to avoid and simply close thier ears to the realities of white supremacy. They are stuck in the old mindset just like the other old men crying about racism.... they actually think people are fight against racism and avoiding culture.

Naw, were off that. That was the civil rights generation that sold us dreams and virtually back into slavery.... the fight is against culture manipulation, education, and white supremacy.... as in the institution, not in worrying about making cacs not be their demonic selves.

Also, I don't know why we go around claiming that we are the only ones with a so called anti academic culture... its more economic than anything. While you all focus on rap music crime etc... we should be focused on property and business. I went to mostly cac schools, we were all anti academic but went to top universities. Its economic. Half the drug dealers I know send their seeds to private schools...... clearly if a nikka w no hs diploma sends his daughter to top schools.... its more about money than so called anti culture. The only group in the usa that even has a pro academic culture is some immigrant Africans and Asians..... the rest of america is anti academic.... not just aa's.

If we fix out economics (aka the one area we will have the easiest time fixing) then this other shyt falls into place.

 

[Blackking]

Thanks for the summary
I'm tired of the common tactic "acknowledging to dismiss," when it comes to racism
Either you believe racism exist or not. Save the half azz acknowledgement but then proceed to critique black folks within an isolated environment by dismissing the obstacles that only institutional racism can create

If you really believe that the wealth imbalance is due to black folks hanging on the corner, then you've been taught wrong, brain washed, and you lack the perspective to rationally critique blacks folks


Both Cosby and Farrakhan critique black folks for the same shyt....but why are their opinions accepted differently? simply...one proved he has the guts, knowledge, and perspective to rationally critique any community accordingly, while the other have followed the blue print of cherry picking which community to critique, while ignoring blatant racist tactics in his own industry
Dr. Dyson was correct in calling out Cosby for his critique which either lacked perspective OR utilized the "acknowledging to dismiss" tactic

Personal responsibility means nothing without societal responsibility, and vice versa
You can't focus your blame solely on a certain black demographics, while ignoring the camera operator, the entertainer, the prison industrial complex, the director, and the education system, just to name a few other entities that contributes to the existence of certain black demographics

My main problem with folks who focus on certain demographics of the black community is that in a different instance, those same folks would co-sign the antics of the demographics if it benefits them
For example:

Entertainers:
-Rick Ross to Jennifer Lopez goes back to the hood periodically for a new project, to capitalize off the stereotype and conditions for an edgier promotion
-Marlon Wayne and Lord Jamal twitter exchange. Marlon used every hood stereotype towards Jamal, but yet he has and will use those same stereotypes in his movies


Regular person:
-Dudes raised in the suburbs using hood characteristics when trying to seem edgy for some poosay, but then shytting on those black folks who satisfy certain hood characteristics
-A black colleague of mine, would switch up between striving to prove he's a safe negro to some white colleagues and mimicking hood characteristics when the topic among the same white colleagues was about how great the wire was and what was the latest hip hop song
-My cousin was a big waka flocka when he first came out. This mawfacka always chanting "hard in the paint," and other quotes from flocka when it was justifying his overreaction and ignorant antics. But at different times, he would say "this is why black folks ain't got shyt" when viewing worldstar vids or some negative news report about a black person

Word. And rep . And as a community we will always reject people like Farrakhan, or assata shakur or anyone who speaks out side the box of cac paradigm.

We will keep accepting the so called tough talk of the Cosby's etc... and white conservatives applaud their efforts.

 

[Kritic]

Do no attempt to make my points for me, to strengthen your own terrible argument.

Nobody, let me repeat, nobody said blacks should not deal with they issues, nobody said we should wait for "whitey" to change our situation. You attempted to allude to white people having no involvement at all in a lame attempt to exonerate them from all wrongdoing then once your wack ass argument got destroyed you moved the chains to try to make the argument about black people doing something for themselves which once again nobody disagreed with.

All I'm doing is exposing the real, you ain't concerned with blacks who won't do nothing for themselves, this shyt is just you playing task master making sure white folks don't get the blame. You can disagree but offer nothing but "c00n" "new black" bullshyt solutions and catch phrases thinking you got a epiphany on this whole society thing. You don't, c00ns talking like you talk been here forever they are just easily forgotten cause they solutions are insincere and again they are only there to protect massa.

Everywhere you go on the planet where the black and white dynamic exist, it's the the same social construct we live with here, white people on top with the economic and political power, black people on the bottom with crumbs. Ain't no chief keef in Brazil, South Africa, France, Cuba, Puerto Rico , Dominican Republic etc where this dynamic continues to exist. If you think this some spooky bullshyt on why that is, again you are shortsighted and misinformed. It's by design and exposing that design and breaking that social construct is equally as important as educating ourselves and economically empowering ourselves .

But c00n on breh

worldismine is the same guy who says supports imperialism and that black african peoples problems are their leaders...
http://www.thecoli.com/posts/6823343/

 

[theworldismine13]

worldismine is the same guy who says supports imperialism and that black african peoples problems are their leaders...
http://www.thecoli.com/posts/6823343/

i wouldnt say i support imperialism, but i do find the "anti imperialism" agenda to have dubious value and for various reasons i think its important for the us to stay on top

and yeah part of africans people problems is their leaders, and?

 

[theworldismine13]

Dysons book on Cosby and the black middle class was on point and 80% correct'.. probably 100%.. I have to read it again now that im older.

I don't even like dyson... but we need to understand who is really creating these divisions.

And these so called academics who down play racism.. I see why they do it But... why can't you build a community, develop nuclear families, adjust the culture etc...... and still be aware of white supremacy??

Its idiotic and damn near a betrayal for these fakkits to avoid and simply close thier ears to the realities of white supremacy. They are stuck in the old mindset just like the other old men crying about racism.... they actually think people are fight against racism and avoiding culture.

Naw, were off that. That was the civil rights generation that sold us dreams and virtually back into slavery.... the fight is against culture manipulation, education, and white supremacy.... as in the institution, not in worrying about making cacs not be their demonic selves.

Also, I don't know why we go around claiming that we are the only ones with a so called anti academic culture... its more economic than anything. While you all focus on rap music crime etc... we should be focused on property and business. I went to mostly cac schools, we were all anti academic but went to top universities. Its economic. Half the drug dealers I know send their seeds to private schools...... clearly if a nikka w no hs diploma sends his daughter to top schools.... its more about money than so called anti culture. The only group in the usa that even has a pro academic culture is some immigrant Africans and Asians..... the rest of america is anti academic.... not just aa's.

If we fix out economics (aka the one area we will have the easiest time fixing) then this other shyt falls into place.

nobody is saying that you should ignore racism or white supremacy, what i am saying is that it isnt the core problem, and we can deal with our problems regardless of the level of racism

and also it represents an intelectual dead end to essentially assert that black people cannot move forward without white people

and there is no evidence to support the notion that everybody has an anti academic culture, in academics blacks perform worse than almost every group

 

[Blackking]

i wouldnt say i support imperialism, but i do find the "anti imperialism" agenda to have dubious value and for various reasons i think its important for the us to stay on top

and yeah part of africans peole problems is their leaders, and?

You have back tracked fiercely over the last year or so...

Im impressed.