Dr. Umar Johnson: No African Community Ever Legitimized Being Gay

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We got cacs and cacs pretending to be black in here tryin to push their homo agenda on our history using a book that was written by two white flaming fakkits and "peer reviewed" in a pro gay society..I couldnt make this sht up if i tried :francis:

Its actually very direspectful..im sure this is exactly how white boys back then tried to imposed their warped version of history on our culture and obfuscate our history.
 

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It's pretty well known that there was a thriving LGBT community and caste system of sexuality in Africa before Christian Colonizers came over. The colonizers of Africa made homosexuality illegal, not Africans.

And it's pretty well know that Africans started believing that LGBT isn't native to Africa...when crazy ass conservative White Christians from the USA and England came to Africa AND TOLD THEM THAT.

It is important to know the concept of sexual relationships and as it is understood today..heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality is WESTERN. It isn't native to non-White people.

How Uganda was seduced by anti-gay conservative evangelicals

One of the first to investigate links between American conservatives and the African anti-gay movement was Kipya Kaoma, a Zambian clergyman living in Boston. Homosexuality was illegal in Uganda under existing colonial laws, he explained, “But nobody was ever arrested or prosecuted based on those old laws. People turned a blind eye to it. Homosexuality was not a political issue.”

That changed in 2009, Rev Kaoma said, when a group of American evangelicals led by Pastor Scott Lively, a self-proclaimed expert on the “gay movement”, held a series of talks in Uganda. Mr Lively warned audiences that the “evil institution” of homosexuality sought to “prey upon” and recruit Ugandan children in a bid to “defeat the marriage-based society”.

Dr Frank Mugisha, director of the LGBT rights organisation, Sexual Minorities Uganda (Smug), recently told The Independent on Sunday, “[The idea] of a gay agenda, of recruiting people to homosexuality – that language wasn't used in Uganda pre-2009. [Lively] made my work very difficult and was conspiring with my legislators, but [to Ugandans] he was like God himself. People were worshipping him as if he was from heaven.”


OPINION: Homosexuality is not un-African
African history is replete with examples of both erotic and nonerotic same-sex relationships. For example, the ancient cave paintings of the San people near Guruve in Zimbabwe depict two men engaged in some form of ritual sex. During precolonial times, the “mudoko dako,” or effeminate males among the Langi of northern Uganda were treated as women and could marry men. In Buganda, one of the largest traditional kingdoms in Uganda, it was an open secret that Kabaka (king) Mwanga II, who ruled in the latter half of the 19th century, was gay.

The vocabulary used to describe same-sex relations in traditional languages, predating colonialism, is further proof of the existence of such relations in precolonial Africa. To name but a few, the Shangaan of southern Africa referred to same-sex relations as “inkotshane” (male-wife); Basotho women in present-day Lesotho engage in socially sanctioned erotic relationships called “motsoalle” (special friend) and in the Wolof language, spoken in Senegal, homosexual men are known as “gor-digen” (men-women). But to be sure, the context and experiences of such relationships did not necessarily mirror homosexual relations as understood in the West, nor were they necessarily consistent with what we now describe as a gay or queer identity.

Same-sex relationships in Africa were far more complex than what the champions of the “un-African” myth would have us believe. Apart from erotic same-sex desire, in precolonial Africa, several other activities were involved in same-sex (or what the colonialists branded “unnatural”) sexuality. For example, the Ndebele and Shona in Zimbabwe, the Azande in Sudan and Congo, the Nupe in Nigeria and the Tutsi in Rwanda and Burundi all engaged in same-sex acts for spiritual rearmament — i.e., as a source of fresh power for their territories. It was also used for ritual purposes. Among various communities in South Africa, sex education among adolescent peers allowed them to experiment through acts such as “thigh sex” (“hlobonga” among the Zulu, “ukumetsha” among the Xhosa and “gangisa” among the Shangaan).

In many African societies, same-sex sexuality was also believed to be a source of magical powers to guarantee bountiful crop yields and abundant hunting, good health and to ward off evil spirits. In Angola and Namibia, for instance, a caste of male diviners — known as “zvibanda,” “chibados,” “quimbanda,” gangas” and “kibambaa” — were believed to carry powerful female spirits that they would pass on to fellow men through anal sex.


good on you for proving these guts wrong:ehh:
 

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STFU bro. That gay shyt didn't fly in my African society and I asked my mother and my grandparents. That shyt is western imposed and western made. You delusional af. It isn't a right or left wing thing. It's a societal structure thing. Homosexuality doesn't help the family or reproduce the population against war, famine, and diease. Facts.

War famine and disease? You asked your parents and grandparents? If you dont shut your my first pony sounding ass the fukk up. Homosexuality is not a threat to shyt unless you go out yout way to make it one :usure:.

nikkas be just mad for no reason and shyt...:comeon:
 

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We got cacs and cacs pretending to be black in here tryin to push their homo agenda on our history using a book that was written by two white flaming fakkits and "peer reviewed" in a pro gay society..I couldnt make this sht up if i tried :francis:

Its actually very direspectful..im sure this is exactly how white boys back then tried to imposed their warped version of history on our culture and obfuscate our history.

:comeon:....did you fact check any of the shyt that was dropped..or did you just resort to the same ol game of finger pointing and ignorance? Be serious breh. Gay is not a race. Its a preference. A preference that has existed since our exisistence...becauae sex is an uncontrollable desire that is undefined by nature. Only self hate closeted nikkas and bigots really make a big deal over homosexulity and often times its because they themselves are gay or have gay thoughts. On a global scale its not that big a deal. And blacks who sound like the Klan when they talk about gays are not speaking on black pride or unity...they are speaking common traits of white hatred...bigotry..and the hatred of difference....yeah its makes you more like them..not blacl sounding breh.
 

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He's wrong. That's not factually or historically correct.

:mjlol:

But I expect nothing less from you dumb ass nikkas.

Continue to cook.

This.

I was going to come in here and post sources and evidence, but the go-to response is the ignorant "believe everything cacs/black feminists/[whoever else hoteps hate] tel you, dummy :mjlol:"

So fukk it :yeshrug:
 

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It really don't breh. Yall cats stay on this traditional idealism forgetting all the many variables that come into play with every sutuation. Molestation..child abuse..substance abuse...spousal abuse...bad parenting...neglect...now these examples occur in many households...and they are certainly not excluded from the traditional singlr family home. The problem with right wing fanaticsm is rarely ever speaks to reality....ever...its goes out its way to speak traditonal values but blurs the line when it comes to spreaking on the the very real negative undertones that often aide to disfigure these values are
Do you have kids?
 

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So...when I lived in CAR I saw some dudes who were clearly gay back in CAR. Was it "embraced"? No. Brehs weren't being killed over it either though. I remember also seeing grown fathers walking around holding hands without people screaming "OMG THEY GAY GOD HELP US".

I really don't understand why some people just can't accept that Africans are neither savages neither some sort of 23000 % pure-Black supertestosteroneGods. You have gays, lesbians, atheists, religious people, capitalists, socialists, pedophiles, rapists, murderers...why would you have all these things in OTHER continents but not in Africa :francis: the whole rationale behind is ironically the fetichisation of Africans as being one monolith and "unique", more often than not in touch with some utopian "true" nature from days past (what Euros called "primitive"). Nah, Africa is crazy diverse, and we're supposed to believe that on a continent that is bigger than the US, China and the EU combined there never ever ever ever ever was gay people for thousands of years :francis:

If anything, gay people just knew to keep it on the low, didn't mean they weren't there all the time. What IS true is that the whole current "promotion" of LGBQTwhatever came under Western pressure. Which is crazy hypocritical because the West itself has only been "gay-friendly" for like 10 years really.
 
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