Dwayne Wade Says Michael Jordan Will Be Forgotten In Future GOAT Conversations Like Abdul Jabbar

[murksiderock]

You are a LeBron Stan you clearly have an agenda

Wrong, me being a Bron fan has no bearing I'm my opinion. Long as the world keeps spinning and the NBA is still a thing, there will come a point where Bron will start fading from regular consciousness as well...

Michael Jackson? But he’s only been dead a decade…

This is the perfect example. Mike is the biggest individual in American entertainment history and quite possibly the history of entertainment on Earth. And by entertainment I mean music, arts, film, sports, everything...

June will mark 13 years since his passing, and even this guy, objectively, far and away a larger global icon than Michael Jordan---->even Mike's name and presence has faded some, and this is in only 13 years...

Why would someone like Bron be seen as The GOAT in 30 years when he’s been playing for 20 years and the majority of people STILL don’t feel he’s the greatest.

The answer is right under your nose: it's not the people of Bron's era that control the narrative shaping of GOAT basketball players yet...

Simple explanation...

Bron wasnt born until two days before 1985. He's a Millenial, a generation of people where the widely accepted start date of birth is 1980 or '81. My point? Millenials don't own these rags that talk about GOATs; Millenials aren't the biggest name sports journalists on TV at this point (think Skip, Stephen A, and the other big name journalists; the most popular one who happens to be a Millenial is Nick Wright but there aren't many his age with prominent voices on TV yet)...

Obviously, as time goes on, the Boomers and Gen Xers that hold these seats and positions of power will age out and give way to people of Bron's age---Millenials--and even younger, and publicly you'll start seeing the narrative change...

It's gonna happen, and alota you nikkas gonna act like you weren't told it would if you live long enough...

Amongst Millenials overall there is still a slight Mike consensus but thats because older Millenials were victim of Jordan Mystique as well as many older Millenials saw Mike play. Millenials born 1990 and later are much less inclined to have Mike as the GOAT and imstead theres a diverse, balanced charge of who the GOAT is.

Was KAJ considered the GOAT when he was playing, like MJ was ? If yes, was he still considered the GOAT 20 years later?

Regardless times passes so obviously some players are more mentionned than others, and centers usually get a raw deal precisely because of how MJ changed the game. That being said, KAJ is regularly mentionned even here on The Coli, so I wouldn't say he's forgotten.

Kareem was always near the convo but there's little sourcing that shows he ever had strong momentum for #1. 20 years after his retirement was '09 and no, people weren't really checking for Kareem hard in this convo back in 2009...

Top 5, Rushmore scale player, sure, he been in that regard forever. The renewed interest in Kareem as THE GOAT didn't get to where it is currently until Bron started threatening Mike's placement, then you got muhfukkas on some "what about Kareem" shyt...

 

[etrofllenrod504]

What’s taking so long then? He’s been retired more than 20 years.

It don't seem like it's happening only due to the old head running all the major sports shows. Think about. Once those voices are gone and the new wave of sports talking heads come in, watch what happens.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Ranking the 25 Best Baseball Players of All Time

This Bleacher Report article was from about 5 years ago that names Babe Ruth as the greatest baseball player ever. He was born in 1895. I wonder if the sports journalist from his era have died off yet?

Updating And Ranking The 50 Greatest NFL Players Of All-Time

This article was from last year proclaiming Tom Brady the greatest player of all time. Why do some have to wait after their career is done versus still being active?

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Jordan will always be considered Top 3 or Top 5 but #1 status will depend on whether Gen Z and beyond produces someone that can supplant him.

Jordan, Kareem, Magic and Bird are all Baby Boomers...that's their contribution to basketball.

Generation X gave us Shaq, Kobe, Dirk, Iverson, Timmy D etc., and that's THEIR contribution to hoops.

Millenials got Bron, Wade, Steph, KD, Giannis, Harden etc., and that's our legacy to the game.

If we take away the nostalgia of MJ, Bron is one of the few guys that could go neck and neck. Bron is like Peyton Manning or Brees with the crazy numbers and SOME championship success while MJ has considerably more championship success but also the numbers like Brady.

Bron will never top MJ because people simply don't like him enough to ever let him be #1 plus he's failed on the biggest stage too many times. Whoever tops MJ will be someone that's not yet in the league....may not even be born yet.

 

[bigde09]

Its been 20 years already since he played and he is still the gold standard to be compared too

Last Dance was out here getting better ratings than playoff games later that year.

Mike is in that Ali Babe Ruth category that will never be forgotten.

 

[Imyremeshaw]

Dudes on here are nutty with basketball discourse. Do cats really think that in, say, 1970, heads of the time imagined a day when Russell and Wilt weren't spoken of with regularity? But that's exactly what has happened, those guys are not regularly spoken of anymore, and when they are talked about they are often given demerits for the era in which they dominated...

nikkas really think a time won't come where heads won't look back and say, "well he did it in the 90s, one of the weakest eras competitively, so it's not like he did it in the era ___, ____, and ____ are currently dominating." shyt nikkas are saying that NOW and have been for a few years, 20 years from now the era that Mike did all his winning in is gonna look like the 60s to the people talking about it then...

As long as the NBA exists, they'll keep his name alive but for most heads, the appeal to shoo-in Mike will fade with time...

He had a 1 of 1 career that can't be matched because the collective advancement of the game and its players won't allow for it ever again. Mike's athleticism was unique for his time but much more regular today, just 20 years later. His defense would be much, much more criticized today, as would other aspects of his game and personal life. He'd still be an All-Time great in any era, but the mystique that was allowed to form and shape the narratives of his career don't exist today...

These dudes bugging but of course Mike Stans are the worst of all sports stans, you can't say Mike would lose a game of checkers without nikkas losing they shyt, so of course they believe the light he's existed in most of their lives will prevail forever. I'm sure Wilt and Russell Stans thought the same thing too...

There has not been truer statement on the Coli than the bolded

 

[Rocket Scientist]

Certain athletes will never be forgotten. Kobe,Jackie Robinson ,Ali they just have that impact etc. Kids may look at Jordan same way they did Madden. None of us seen Madden coach or knew he had highest % of any coach but we know him from commentary and of course video game. These kids didnt see Jordan play but they know him as sneaker ,crying meme guy. None of us saw Jackie play but we know the #42 is retired and we know his impact. We think alot of these guys wont be forgotten .50 years ago Wilt was probably the GOAT now we millenials are questioning his career "he played against 5'10 whiteboys thats why he scored 100".Generations forget Jordan was bigger then life to us. His comeback in 1995 was like the biggest thing. His retirement shocked us. None of these kids will ever feel that way we felt about Jordan.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

It don't seem like it's happening only due to the old head running all the major sports shows. Think about. Once those voices are gone and the new wave of sports talking heads come in, watch what happens.

But a lot of those voices grew up on Kobe and Lebron too. I mean Lebron dominates many conversations and has done so since he came in the league.. Kobe did too. I mean one thing that hurts these arguments is all this ring talk. People don’t acknowledge the greats enough that haven’t won a ring because all they care about is the damn rings smh. People have berm saying Lebron got to get more than Kobe and Mike to be considered the goat. You can put that on the old heads but these younger on air people do the same shyt. I’m going to say it again, these current players and people should like Kobe, Lebron, and whoever else they want to put up there more and put them above Jordan because they grew up on those guys… Saying Michael Jordan will be forgotten is just dumb though. Man you can barely pick the greats from the past 20 years without getting into heated arguments because they don’t have enough rings or some bullshyt like that smh.

 

[T.he I.nformant]

WOW I DIDNT EVEN READ
THE ARTICLE.

WHAT TYPE OF PANDERING
shyt IS THIS?

THIS WHOLE PIECE
IS COMING OFF PHONY AS HELL.

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It’s definitely weird. I know there’s been some controversy with older players criticizing today’s game. I guess Wade’s going the the opposite way in an extreme way. Man is kinda devaluing his legacy, though. Doesn’t make sense. I would take a prime Wade over just about everyone. He would be in my 5-10 range most likely.

 

[Geordi]

The internet, youtube and cable tv keeps older stuff relevant much longer than before. Anybody can search for a full Bulls game from the 90s and judge for themselves how good Jordan was.

 

[JoelB]

Nah

Jordan Brand
Videogames
Youtube
Advanced Analytics showing Jordan is GOAT
etc



Jordan is etched into basketball pop culture. Its not like Wilt where its just stories and grainy b&w footage.

 

[FS4LFE]

It’s likely that kids born after 2000 will only be able to identify him as the shoe and meme guy. People won’t forget about him but as time goes on certain people will identify him with things other than his playing days.

 

[OneManGang]

nikka in here said Michael Jackson memory low key fading to prove a point.

 

[jj23]

Mike BUILT nike and the sneaker culture

period.

without Mike there’s no globalization of the NBA on such a huge scale

from his jump shot, defense, footwork, finals record…storied rivalries, signature games…think about it, how many players have FLU GAME or 3pt game, mid air reverse layup game…


All of which were in the finals…


Mike will never die in the NBA


Until another player does what he does or more. And the hardest thing to do that people will judge even if it’s unfair is his undefeated finals record. That’s a fact.

Dude did more spectacular shyt in the finals than players do their entire careers.

 

[Hov]

nikka in here said Michael Jackson memory low key fading to prove a point.

How is this funny to you? Like legit, I’m confused why this sounds so incomprehensible lol. Are you trolling?

I’m the prime age of a Jordan/Jackson Stan. I was a kid in 80s and 90s, the years they both were the goats.

Why is it so far fetched to think that a kid born in 2017, that will be 20 in 2037 won’t think of MJ the way we did? Be real.

My Dad (and Mike Jack) stanned James Brown and Ali. I didn’t give much thought to them it was all about Mike Jack and Tyson. Life moves on, some slower for others.

Forgotten? Hell no. But my 18 year old daughter was born in 2004 and only knows Jordan as a shoe and meme first, hooper in debates and highlights. Her kids will know less.

How many Gen Z said “Madden is a person????” Legit!

Life moves on people.