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[88m3]

I did not say I wanted to get rid of private property, I said I morally question land ownership.

And I quote

I do not believe in land ownership, but I do believe in intellectual property.

I'm not seeing the difference, I'm sorry, Eric.

IYoure just not a nice person and all you do on here is bash people for trying to discuss things. You seem to think you have done well for yourself. Good for you. Theres a bug difference between discussing things in terms of philosophy and advocating them politically.

Every time I post in here you always try to come with the same Im better than you shyt. Youre just a bully

It's not my fault your ideas don't hold water. I'm trying to get you to expand on your position and you wont or can't. That's a problem don't you think? You can probably work on that. That's really what this forum is for! I embrace our discussions here no matter how ludicrous I perceive them to be(generally). This forum is all about people practicing the great art of debate! Don't feel discouraged because of me or anyone else! Practice!

I said I have a decent life. I guess that makes me a braggart to a Marxist. I certainly didn't say anything as socially insensitive as you did.

Im just glad I have made it to where I am and that I have been able to achieve a large degree of success for myself relative to my age.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

What human being that believes in humanity can't relate to wanting everyone to be healthy? You're saying that if we don't come from the same background and walks of life, your quest to be healthy is foreign to me?

Please tell me where does this type of mindset come from...

You're not getting it.

I'm not condoning this behavior, i'm trying to explain it.

Look at france and other places that formerly were mercantile leaders. The nations of people they pillaged are coming home to their "motherland" and starting to change the face of those nations to the point where native french people tend to feel that their way of life is threatened. Its happening all over. Spain. Italy. Germany, UK. etc.

The fact is before their minorities were SUCH small parts of the population that collectively, the national image was pretty standard. There was a culture, image, and way of life. THIS MAKES IT EASIER TO PUSH POLICY THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE.

People aren't concerned about "who might get aid" since most of those people look like them. You're not worried that population X is more prone to getting aid when population X looks like population A. Theres less thought work that goes into it.

Not to mention that those nations have a FRACTION of the population that the US does and you can see why its so easy for them to do progressive things.

Most asian countries are (or were at a crucial time in their history) 90%+ similar...thats how they were able to continue doing communist/socialist policies to such a degree. They're ALL visually alike to the point that what separates them is far less than image and background.

These Scandinavian countries are TINY. Each country ranges between 5-10 million people with an avg of about 7 million. Thats the size of ONE major city in the US. Add to the fact that these people share so much background, history, and (lets be honest) visual image, theres less for them to socially address in terms of diversity

Hell, these nations sometimes give stipends to immigrants...but thats different when your nation is only 5 million people and you limit immigration or don't have that much of it.

If you want to understand how public policy works, you have to imagine stupid people making the policies.

 

[Meta Reign]

no, it is not. shut the fukk up. and it has NOTHING to do with obama. it's not his or the policy's fault, idiot. blame the insurance companies. i swear, people like you are either very fukking stupid or just outright @ssholes.

Translation: Obama's sweaty nutsack both quenches my thirst and provides for me the beneficial nutrition I need for survival. His Ass crack tastes of honey dew and sweet, sweet mango. . . I will murder in his name.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

This brings up a crucial point...a lot of countries people seem to "look up to" are REALLY homogeneous and are thus more apt to adopt polices that seem so desirable...since most people are already on the same page.

Those countries also don't have a stupid 2 party system that leads to nothing ever getting done and if a bill does get passed its "watered down" to uselessness.

 

[Richard Wright]

And I quote



I'm not seeing the difference, I'm sorry, Eric.




It's not my fault your ideas don't hold water. I'm trying to get you to expand on your position and you wont or can't. That's a problem don't you think? You can probably work on that. That's really what this forum is for! I embrace our discussions here no matter how ludicrous I perceive them to be(generally). This forum is all about people practicing the great art of debate! Don't feel discouraged because of me or anyone else! Practice!

I said I have a decent life. I guess that makes me a braggart to a Marxist. I certainly didn't say anything as socially insensitive as you did.

I think the divide between you and me is what keeps the status quo though. Im in an honors college and I have had to work my ass off to get the gpa I have gotten and to get the programming, math, and reading/writing skills I have. The system works for me. All I am saying is that in terms of a general social contract the system is broken. See endless war, fractional reserve banking, the prison industrial complex, etc. The problem is that we are all forced to buy into the system. The successful among us buy stock, and even people that work at mcdonalds are forced to buy into the ponzi scheme called social security. And even if people could agree on what to do, the trump card is the 20 trillion dollar debt.

Thats why I say MIT opencourse and things like that are our best hope. Skills and knowledge create wealth.

In terms of land ownership vs intellectual property:

one of my favorite philosophers is ayn rand. She said that since people need to use their minds to make land useful(to get resources effectively, to build upon, etc.) that people have a right to land ownership. I just do not believe that that can hold up when it occurs along with the gross social 'injustices' of the world today. Marx was right in saying that eventually the common man wil be fed up, but the psychological class, race, and political war the mass media has waged on people the last 100 years has led to that frustration marx described being directed against other everyday men.

I do not believe that to each according to need and from each according to ability is a good system. I think that would be an evil far worse than what we have now.
-Look up the 20th century motor company to get my opinion on what that would lead to.


In terms of solutions, which you seem to think do not exist, education is the only hope. Knowledge is the only hope. I do not support redistribution of wealth or anything like that, but at least all black people deserve a 'free' college degree. I personally believe in unlimited access to education.

At my school, one of the major business introductory classes is taught in singapore. A good friend of mine has to watch the video lectures, do the online homework, and show up to a classroom every so often for tests and quizzes. I support this on a massive scale. I think everyone that is untrained should be working to educate themselves in a manner like this. MIT opencourse isa start. You really think free electrivcal engineering and nursing classes would be useless?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Those countries also don't have a stupid 2 party system that leads to nothing ever getting done and if a bill does get passed its "watered down" to uselessness.

I ain't even gonna say that cause the two party system is a result of how people are elected. Its a natural result. Its not because of lack of want for more political parties.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

I ain't even gonna say that cause the two party system is a result of how people are elected. Its a natural result. Its not because of lack of want for more political parties.

I haven't watched this video yet but I think that's total BS. How the flying fukk can a third political party (let alone a fourth, or fifth) ever win a senate seat or house seat? (of course there are some independents, but they're incredibly rare and few so they have little sway in terms of enacting/voting against certain policies) Say there is a district with a Republican Candidate, A democrat candidate and a Green party candidate. The democrat gets 20% of the vote, Green party candidate gets 35% of the vote and the Republican gets 45% of the vote, then the Republicans win despite the fact that 20% of the population wanted a democrat and 35% of the population wanted a green party candidate. Many people also end up voting democrat or republican thinking the third party candidate stands absolutely no chance so they don't want their vote to "not matter". If we had proportional representation, say that was a house of representatives race then 20% of those reps sent would have to be democrats and 35% would have to be green party etc. Instead we go for a mob rule, despite the fact that people actually do vote and want other parties.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I haven't watched this video yet but I think that's total BS. How the flying fukk can a third political party (let alone a fourth, or fifth) ever win a senate seat or house seat? (of course there are some independents, but they're incredibly rare and few so they have little sway in terms of enacting/voting against certain policies) Say there is a district with a Republican Candidate, A democrat candidate and a Green party candidate. The democrat gets 20% of the vote, Green party candidate gets 35% of the vote and the Republican gets 45% of the vote, then the Republicans win despite the fact that 20% of the population wanted a democrat and 35% of the population wanted a green party candidate. Many people also end up voting democrat or republican thinking the third party candidate stands absolutely no chance so they don't want their vote to "not matter". If we had proportional representation, say that was a house of representatives race then 20% of those reps sent would have to be democrats and 35% would have to be green party etc. Instead we go for a mob rule, despite the fact that people actually do vote and want other parties.

watch the video.

The problem is a lack of parliamentary process.

The fact is that people are more likely to vote AGAINST someone they don't want rather than to completely support someone they more likely agree with. People know their candidate runs a slim chance of winning so they vote against who they DEFINITELY don't want.

For example, most libertarian supporters vote republican not because they don't want to support ron paul, but because republican ideals more closely align with theirs and make it more possible to make sure dem's don't win.

Theres more than one way to hold elections including the

Alternative vote:



and the mixed-member proportional vote:



Take a few poli-sci courses and look at how other nations do things.

 

[CACtain Planet]

Did you not see how much the big insurance companies went up the day obamacare started? I feel like I have had to say this a million times since 2009: The insurance lobby wrote obamacare bro! Mitt Romney was the first to implement it because of the connections he had with them from his Bain days. Did you not read the post I had before that?

In the insurance business, all of the big fish eventually eat the small fish. This legislation makes it so it will be even easier for the biggest insurers to buy the small guys, and once there are only 2 or 3 of them left standing there will be nothing in the way of them charging whatever prices they want. The healthcare legislation has nothing to do with universal care. All it does is force people to buy a product.

With the current trends in wages, hours we can work, and rising costs of living, the last thing we want is for a government to be passing more costs onto the shrinking middle class. What we need is more people with the skills to work jobs for which employers want to provide them with healthcare. If Obama or any of these other crooks wanted to actually care for sick people they would be lobbying to expand medicare to everyone. Expand medicare to everyone and the entire healthcare problem is fixed overnight. I wonder why your corporate democrat friends in congress and the white house are not asking for this expansion, and I reach the conclusion that it is because they are in the pockets of the insurance and pharma lobbies.

In this country, the only major legislation that passes is the legislation that the legislators' bosses tell them to pass. Their bosses are the big corporations. In modern America, believing that congress would pass healthcare reform that would ever benefit those of us working to get into, stay in, and rise above the middle class reflects nothing but what Marx would refer to as a false consciousness.

 

[thekingsmen]

fukk you you bytch ass tin foil society fukk boy....you and that tool @thekingsmen can eat a dikk....