Dylan Ratigan's Health Plan goes from $170 to $600 under Obamacare. . .

[Richard Wright]

30-something million americans will have healthcare that don't currently have it. This is bad, why?

You know what's just fukking staggering? That the people who mainly oppose a national healthcare system (which we didn't get) are republicans. Republicans who are loudly pro-Jesus.
And holy fukking monkey shyt balls, what the fukk could be more Jesus-like than caring for sick people?

But no, only if private insurance companies can squeeze a few more dollars out.
Eat a dikk.

Did you not see how much the big insurance companies went up the day obamacare started? I feel like I have had to say this a million times since 2009: The insurance lobby wrote obamacare bro! Mitt Romney was the first to implement it because of the connections he had with them from his Bain days. Did you not read the post I had before that?

In the insurance business, all of the big fish eventually eat the small fish. This legislation makes it so it will be even easier for the biggest insurers to buy the small guys, and once there are only 2 or 3 of them left standing there will be nothing in the way of them charging whatever prices they want. The healthcare legislation has nothing to do with universal care. All it does is force people to buy a product.

With the current trends in wages, hours we can work, and rising costs of living, the last thing we want is for a government to be passing more costs onto the shrinking middle class. What we need is more people with the skills to work jobs for which employers want to provide them with healthcare. If Obama or any of these other crooks wanted to actually care for sick people they would be lobbying to expand medicare to everyone. Expand medicare to everyone and the entire healthcare problem is fixed overnight. I wonder why your corporate democrat friends in congress and the white house are not asking for this expansion, and I reach the conclusion that it is because they are in the pockets of the insurance and pharma lobbies.

In this country, the only major legislation that passes is the legislation that the legislators' bosses tell them to pass. Their bosses are the big corporations. In modern America, believing that congress would pass healthcare reform that would ever benefit those of us working to get into, stay in, and rise above the middle class reflects nothing but what Marx would refer to as a false consciousness.

 

[Remote]

Did you not see how much the big insurance companies went up the day obamacare started? I feel like I have had to say this a million times since 2009: The insurance lobby wrote obamacare bro! Mitt Romney was the first to implement it because of the connections he had with them from his Bain days. Did you not read the post I had before that?

In the insurance business, all of the big fish eventually eat the small fish. This legislation makes it so it will be even easier for the biggest insurers to buy the small guys, and once there are only 2 or 3 of them left standing there will be nothing in the way of them charging whatever prices they want. The healthcare legislation has nothing to do with universal care. All it does is force people to buy a product.

With the current trends in wages, hours we can work, and rising costs of living, the last thing we want is for a government to be passing more costs onto the shrinking middle class. What we need is more people with the skills to work jobs for which employers want to provide them with healthcare. If Obama or any of these other crooks wanted to actually care for sick people they would be lobbying to expand medicare to everyone. Expand medicare to everyone and the entire healthcare problem is fixed overnight. I wonder why your corporate democrat friends in congress and the white house are not asking for this expansion, and I reach the conclusion that it is because they are in the pockets of the insurance and pharma lobbies.

In this country, the only major legislation that passes is the legislation that the legislators' bosses tell them to pass. Their bosses are the big corporations. In modern America, believing that congress would pass healthcare reform that would ever benefit those of us working to get into, stay in, and rise above the middle class reflects nothing but what Marx would refer to as a false consciousness.

....I work for CIGNA, bro.
I know the deal.

 

[Richard Wright]

....I work for CIGNA, bro.
I know the deal.

Are you saying you agree or disagree? I want to understand this more than I want to be right

 

[Remote]

Are you saying you agree or disagree? I want to understand this more than I want to be right

PPACA is not the ideal situation.

My personal view is that I think we should have gone with a single-payer system. Yes. Government healthcare.
That said, the new healthcare law is better than what we had before. The simple fact that you can no longer deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions is huge.

Might some smaller insurers get eaten up? Maybe. But smaller insurers don't offer many services and great coverage to begin with.
A lot of their cheap plans only cover basic services. If you have a hospital visit or need medication, you're still paying up the ass.

 

[Richard Wright]

PPACA is not the ideal situation.

My personal view is that I think we should have gone with a single-payer system. Yes. Government healthcare.
That said, the new healthcare law is better than what we had before. The simple fact that you can no longer deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions is huge.

Might some smaller insurers get eaten up? Maybe. But smaller insurers don't offer many services and great coverage to begin with.
A lot of their cheap plans only cover basic services. If you have a hospital visit or need medication, you're still paying up the ass.

Everyone is paying up the ass for everything anyway. Healthcare an an industry is a giant market failure. We are going to have a single supplier system instead of a single payer system.

They only added things like the pre existing condition and staying on parents coverage until 26 so that 'liberal' sheep would have a talking point to reference in their blind support for any legislation that the supposed democratic party proposes.

 

[Remote]

Everyone is paying up the ass for everything anyway. Healthcare an an industry is a giant market failure. We are going to have a single supplier system instead of a single payer system.

They only added things like the pre existing condition and staying on parents coverage until 26 so that 'liberal' sheep would have a talking point to reference in their blind support for any legislation that the supposed democratic party proposes.

Pre-ex was huge because if you had cancer, you were going to die. You weren't getting covered.

The coverage to age 26...I don't think was a big deal because some companies already offered plans that kept children on their health plan up to 26 (or 21..22, not sure) if they were in school.

 

[Richard Wright]

Pre-ex was huge because if you had cancer, you were going to die. You weren't getting covered.

The coverage to age 26...I don't think was a big deal because some companies already offered plans that kept children on their health plan up to 26 (or 21..22, not sure) if they were in school.

Im not saying that those were not steps in the right direction. The analogy I would make is we are students at a high school. Instead of supplying students with a healthy lunch(universal medicare) the principle brings in pepsico to provide the lunches(your cignas of the world). And when the kids are getting fukked over by pepsico, and a lot of them stop buying lunch at school altogether, pepsi says they will put an apple in everyones lunch in exchange for forcing everyone in the school to buy lunch every day. Then pepsico writes the proposal themselves.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

way to miss the point

Its that people are less likely to be altruistic to other people when they can't identify with them...or harbor notions that make it hard to identify with others.

What human being that believes in humanity can't relate to wanting everyone to be healthy? You're saying that if we don't come from the same background and walks of life, your quest to be healthy is foreign to me?

Please tell me where does this type of mindset come from...

 

[babylon1]

You seem to just oppose everything at once. There is a huge difference between the abolishment of all private property and the acknowledgement that land ownership is completely arbitrary. "I got here first" is complete bullshyt. You can not expect these people to just 'learn a trade' and solve all of their problems. Young people are too in debt to do that. The game is rigged. Im just glad I have made it to where I am and that I have been able to achieve a large degree of success for myself relative to my age.

I think the saddest part of growing up and going to college has been coming to the realization that everyone in America is given a one in 100 shot to do things that most people will never have, but most of us waste that shot. However, the social darwinist , objectivist way of thinking you seem to be advocating just completely disregards the role that force has played in the world's getting to its current state. So people that came before me, who have passed down land and other forms of capital that they acquired by the barrel of a gun are allowed that advantage, while I am forced to accept government monopoly on force?

I think the key distinction I am trying to make is that Rockefeller, for example, deserved his fortune because of his scientific method, nit because he had access to the land from which the oil came. The idea that the earth can be owned is the biggest hoax in history. Let us not forget there was a time in which all land belonged to the king,because 'God said so'.

I am not necessarily advocating any particular solution to the problems of this world, but acting as if health care is something that people could not easily have unlimited access to outside of the restrictions of the monetary system is just silly.

You seem to be extremely dismissive of MIT opencourse, did you graduate from /go to college(genuinely asking)? That shyt is an amazing resource.

 

[Richard Wright]

What human being that believes in humanity can't relate to wanting everyone to be healthy? You're saying that if we don't come from the same background and walks of life, your quest to be healthy is foreign to me?

Please tell me where does this type of mindset come from...

See Southern Strategy, Richard Nixon

 

[88m3]

Exactly. This isn't a single parent making 30k a year, this is a millionaire having to pay an extra few grand a year.

putting things into perspective

 

[88m3]

 

[kermit da hustla]

Yea, you know that's not the point. Same thing is happening to plenty of regular folks all across the country.

no, it is not. shut the fukk up. and it has NOTHING to do with obama. it's not his or the policy's fault, idiot. blame the insurance companies. i swear, people like you are either very fukking stupid or just outright a$$holes.

 

[88m3]

You seem to just oppose everything at once. There is a huge difference between the abolishment of all private property and the acknowledgement that land ownership is completely arbitrary. "I got here first" is complete bullshyt. You can not expect these people to just 'learn a trade' and solve all of their problems. Young people are too in debt to do that. The game is rigged. Im just glad I have made it to where I am and that I have been able to achieve a large degree of success for myself relative to my age.

I think the saddest part of growing up and going to college has been coming to the realization that everyone in America is given a one in 100 shot to do things that most people will never have, but most of us waste that shot. However, the social darwinist , objectivist way of thinking you seem to be advocating just completely disregards the role that force has played in the world's getting to its current state. So people that came before me, who have passed down land and other forms of capital that they acquired by the barrel of a gun are allowed that advantage, while I am forced to accept government monopoly on force?

I think the key distinction I am trying to make is that Rockefeller, for example, deserved his fortune because of his scientific method, nit because he had access to the land from which the oil came. The idea that the earth can be owned is the biggest hoax in history. Let us not forget there was a time in which all land belonged to the king,because 'God said so'.

I am not necessarily advocating any particular solution to the problems of this world, but acting as if health care is something that people could not easily have unlimited access to outside of the restrictions of the monetary system is just silly.

You seem to be extremely dismissive of MIT opencourse, did you graduate from /go to college(genuinely asking)? That shyt is an amazing resource.

I'm just opposed to "your ideas". You said you wanted to get rid of private property, now you're saying "acknowledging that land ownership is completely arbitrary" whatever the hell that means. I pay taxes, I have mortgages, it isn't "arbitrary". I can't go live and do whatever the hell I want because "I can". There are laws.

Some of my friends and associates are tradesmen they make a very reasonable income by any standard.


Yes life is unfair.


I'm a relatively young guy myself. I'm sure I've gone through the same things most people my age complain about. I have a decent life.


I would prefer if it wasn't swim or sink but that really isn't up to me.

The barrel of a gun thing is hyperbole. Nothing is free in life, well at least in the last century or so.


It would best if you provided some solutions to all the issues you propose. It's not my job to provide them.

I went to college. Did you? Are you bitter?


I don't see the purpose of those courses or what they're supposed to provide to the person who takes them in the larger sense beyond knowledge(granted the person taking them understands them and finishes).

 

[Richard Wright]

I'm just opposed to "your ideas". You said you wanted to get rid of private property, now you're saying "acknowledging that land ownership is completely arbitrary" whatever the hell that means. I pay taxes, I have mortgages, it isn't "arbitrary". I can't go live and do whatever the hell I want because "I can". There are laws.

Some of my friends and associates are tradesmen they make a very reasonable income by any standard.


Yes life is unfair.


I'm a relatively young guy myself. I'm sure I've gone through the same things most people my age complain about. I have a decent life.


I would prefer if it wasn't swim or sink but that really isn't up to me.

The barrel of a gun thing is hyperbole. Nothing is free in life, well at least in the last century or so.


It would best if you provided some solutions to all the issues you propose. It's not my job to provide them.

I went to college. Did you? Are you bitter?


I don't see the purpose of those courses and what they're supposed to provide to the person who takes them in the larger sense beyond knowledge(granted the person taking them understands them and finishes).

I did not say I wanted to get rid of private property, I said I morally question land ownership. Youre just not a nice person and all you do on here is bash people for trying to discuss things. You seem to think you have done well for yourself. Good for you. Theres a bug difference between discussing things in terms of philosophy and advocating them politically.

Every time I post in here you always try to come with the same Im better than you shyt. Youre just a bully