Eagles & Browns Make A Pre-Draft Trade

[Trip]

now you're moving goalposts
classic trip
get confronted with facts aka math and move the goalposts

It's not at all. My comment about "every snap" was tongue and cheek and you decided to dissect it for whatever reason. Yes I realize the quarterback doesnt play defense and special teams.

However the replacement question is a legitimate one. If you're not in favor of paying a proven QB his market value- who are you replacing that player with? The drop off from starting level QB to backup is as wide as ever. And full disclosure I think the Eagles made a bonehead move here considering they have both Bradford and Daniels on the books already.

 

[godkiller]

now you're moving goalposts
classic trip
get confronted with facts aka math and move the goalposts

I think Trip's point, although irrelevant to this thread (This is not a thread about the Niners QB situation???), is that you don't have a good enough QB to compete. Overpaying a QB comes secondary to actually finding one that can get you to the big game in the first place. You don't seem worried about that. Do you think Kelly's system is going to raise Gabbert's performance high enough to compete?

 

[yseJ]

The Niners do need a different QB regardless of pay. Neither Gabbert nor Kaepernick are good enough to win.

first, the discussion has nothing to do with the Niners, really. do I really need to bring up the jets and remind how the jets went back to back championships with fukking fez as the qb ?

second, Niners can use a qb upgrade, but its not mandatory. we can use many upgrades. both kaep and gabbert are serviceable.
Trip's ass was stanning Kaep big time when Niners went to the superbowl with him too

again, broncos won with a qb who was by far the worst qb in the league last year. defenses win games. repeatedly proven. qbs might put paying customers asses in the seats, but since I dont watch football for entertainment nor do I stan players dont care about any of it.

trip will of course make up garbage excuses like 'it was a historic defense'

as long as your qb isnt utter trash, a team will be fine. all you need is a great D. and broncos had an utter trash qb last year so even that might not be true anymore

 

[Trip]

I think Trip's point, although irrelevant to this thread (This is not a thread about the Niners QB situation???), is that you don't have a good enough QB to compete. Overpaying a QB comes secondary to actually finding one that can get you to the big game in the first place. You don't seem worried about that. Do you think Kelly's system is going to raise Gabbert's performance high enough to compete?

Only reason I interjected was bc they came at me unsolicited. Its totally irrelevant to this thread youre right.

 

[Trip]

first, the discussion has nothing to do with the Niners, really. do I really need to bring up the jets and remind how the jets went back to back championships with fukking fez as the qb ?

second, Niners can use a qb upgrade, but its not mandatory. we can use many upgrades. both kaep and gabbert are serviceable.
Trip's ass was stanning Kaep big time when Niners went to the superbowl with him too

again, broncos won with a qb who was by far the worst qb in the league last year. defenses win games. repeatedly proven. qbs might put paying customers asses in the seats, but since I dont watch football for entertainment nor do I stan players dont care about any of it.

trip will of course make up garbage excuses like 'it was a historic defense'

as long as your qb isnt utter trash, a team will be fine. all you need is a great D. and broncos had an utter trash qb last year so even that might not be true anymore

Denver had an historic defense last year that they already had to dismantle because of contracts. Offense(QB play) translates way more on a year to year basis than defense does.

A team like the Rams have had as what you call "utter trash" at QB paired with a good defense and havent been able to do anything. Finding a non utter trash QB is why guys like Cousins and Fitzpatrick are getting paid. The drop off from a Cousins to whoever their backup is right now is huge.

Sanchez was horrible and has always been horrible. He was paired with the best defense in the league his first year and still only managed to win 9 games(two of which teams rested their starters). In a one and done playoff game anything can happen. But the Jets won 0 divisions and had zero home playoff games with Sanchez.

 

[yseJ]

I think Trip's point, although irrelevant to this thread (This is not a thread about the Niners QB situation???), is that you don't have a good enough QB to compete. Overpaying a QB comes secondary to actually finding one that can get you to the big game in the first place. You don't seem worried about that. Do you think Kelly's system is going to raise Gabbert's performance high enough to compete?

exactly. as far as the rest of your post, I think you should know by now I dont view a qb any different than any other position in football. and I'll got to @Z-Bo's Deep Thoughts lengths of arguing against anyone who challenges me in that.

Niners dont have a team to compete right now. QB is part of the many positions that have played badly. Kaep is getting paid a good amount, so it would probably be best for us to have moved him before, but it didn't happen because he didnt want to get paid less I dont know what else to tell you. QBs dont magically make teams from pretenders to contenders unless they're HoF bound.

 

[godkiller]

exactly. as far as the rest of your post, I think you should know by now I dont view a qb any different than any other position in football. and I'll got to @Z-Bo's Deep Thoughts lengths of arguing against anyone who challenges me in that.

Niners dont have a team to compete right now. QB is part of the many positions that have played badly. Kaep is getting paid a good amount, so it would probably be best for us to have moved him before, but it didn't happen because he didnt want to get paid less I dont know what else to tell you. QBs dont magically make teams from pretenders to contenders unless they're HoF bound.

So you're OK with your team neglecting the QB position in this draft while the rest of your division is strong or getting stronger at the position? The Rams already have a better defense than you and will have a better offense after Goff matriculates there. Meanwhile the Cardinals and Seahawks have looked better on paper than you for several years. Without a QB you're either relying on Kelly's scheme to bolster your offense or else vying for last place the division. You understand this, right?

 

[yseJ]

It's not at all. My comment about "every snap" was tongue and cheek and you decided to dissect it for whatever reason. Yes I realize the quarterback doesnt play defense and special teams.

However the replacement question is a legitimate one. If you're not in favor of paying a proven QB his market value- who are you replacing that player with? The drop off from starting level QB to backup is as wide as ever. And full disclosure I think the Eagles made a bonehead move here considering they have both Bradford and Daniels on the books already.

Ive answered this question a million times. it doesn't matter who you replace him with. if he isnt an elite qb, hes replaceable because its a team game

have falcons made the playoffs once after paying matt ryan 20m ?
whats the worst that can happen if you replace matt ryan with ryan fitzpatrick or aj mccaron ? you win one-two less games and move up in draft ? ok, and hows that bad ?

again, building around a qb always was a stupid strategy to start with, its even worse now with how much an average qb costs compared to, say, a linebacker or a dlineman.

and yeah, broncos are treading salary cap hell waters now, and if peyton didnt retire with his ~19m salary, they would be in utter shythole.

 

[Trip]

Ive answered this question a million times. it doesn't matter who you replace him with. if he isnt an elite qb, hes replaceable because its a team game

have falcons made the playoffs once after paying matt ryan 20m ?
whats the worst that can happen if you replace matt ryan with ryan fitzpatrick or aj mccaron ? you win one-two less games and move up in draft ? ok, and hows that bad ?
.

AJ Mccaron isn't available and Fitz isn't going to cost you much less than what Ryan already is. The Bengals are holding onto him like the Bucs are with Glennon. There just arent enough guys to go around who are available.

Ryan is on that bubble of being a guy you move on from though. If the Falcons were picking in the top two this year I'nm sure they'd consider it.

 

[So UnThotful]

We were having a solid off season too before this shyt

We should have let Bradford walk and just signed chase if we were gonna trade up

Now that it has sumnk in. Its not that bad what we gave up but still was not needed

 

[Box Factory]

We were having a solid off season too before this shyt

We should have let Bradford walk and just signed chase if we were gonna trade up

Now that it has sumnk in. Its not that bad what we gave up but still was not needed

Yeah that's my issue too.
Before the Bradford signing I wanted Goff (I don't know enough about Wentz).

It just makes it look like they didn't have a plan in place at all

 

[Hypris]

Goff and Wentz got pressure on them like no other

With all the assets given up, they better produce.

 

[yseJ]

So you're OK with your team neglecting the QB position in this draft while the rest of your division is strong or getting stronger at the position? The Rams already have a better defense than you and will have a better offense after Goff matriculates there. Meanwhile the Cardinals and Seahawks have looked better on paper than you for several years. Without a QB you're either relying on Kelly's scheme to bolster your offense or else vying for last place the division. You understand this, right?

I dont think you understand what I wrote so you keep asking same question. I dont believe in 'needing a qb to win', period. do you believe in 'needing a free safety to win' ? probably not. thats me and qbs.
you dont need to have a 'good' to 'great' qb to win football games. do you think you'll lose a game if a corner back you drafted in a 5th round starts that game ? probably not. same for me if a qb drafted in the 5th round starts the game.

qb is just another position, glorified so much by the media it's retarded.

to answer your question, especially in this division, which has nearly always for last ~5 years been driven by great defenses. thats one thing that the Niners lack right now. defense. defense will be the main reason why we wont be able to compete. if we had a 2011-esque defense, I wouldnt be worried about shyt.

 

[Absolut da poet ®]

I like this move

I think Wentz will be a very good player

We swap 1st & 4th Rd picks so we only really gave up a 1st next year, 3rd pick and a 2nd next year

For a franchise QB.

We won

 

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