Doesn't really matter. IQ, feel for the game, and most importantly, focus on winning >>>. Going overboard in either direction will hurt your team. If a guy understands the game, knows when to pick his spots and when to fall back, and puts winning over numbers/individual glory you can't go wrong either way.
efficiency Vs Gunning
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An efficient player is someone like KD who will get you 40 on like 20 shots. While a gunner like Kobe will get you like 60 on 40 shots cause he's going to keep on shooting and thinking he can hit every shot. Sometimes that is bad for the team but then sometimes that is how you see record breaking shyt happen. I would love for KD to just go out there one game and say fukk it and take 45 shots to see what he can do.
The player who gets the best shot available.
Of course that player will be efficient but HOW the hell is getting the best shot available not preferable to missing shots?
Even if you pass up a good shot (which you shouldn't), you still get the ball to someone else, who has a 45-50% chance of making the shot. You haven't sunk yourself.
But take a low-efficiency shot that has a 30% shot of going in, and 70% of the time, you don't get shyt.
Of course that player will be efficient but HOW the hell is getting the best shot available not preferable to missing shots?
Even if you pass up a good shot (which you shouldn't), you still get the ball to someone else, who has a 45-50% chance of making the shot. You haven't sunk yourself.
But take a low-efficiency shot that has a 30% shot of going in, and 70% of the time, you don't get shyt.
That's the problem. I always thought the fun of sports was watching it. But now with fantasy sports, gambling, and all this other crap, it seems like watching the game for its enjoyment is secondary.
IMO you shouldn't talk about a team or player unless you watch them play. Thinking you can tell what happened in a game from a box score is retarded.
But what if you need him to score 42 to win the game?
This is the retarded thing about worshiping efficiency. At the end of the day, its the team that scores more points that wins the game not the team that has the higher fg%. I'm not trying to say efficiency doesn't matter. It does. But it ain't the end all be all. And real talk, the over emphasis on it in today's NBA is leading to questionable play by even the best players. For one, players like KD who are obsessed with analytics and trying to look good to the media by having higher shooting percentages, they constantly pass up on chances to throw up those end of the quarter heaves with time running out. 15 years ago when nobody really gave a shyt about fg%, such a move would be unthinkable. Players actually loved that play and wanted to be the guy to throw it up from halfcourt for a chance to score. Nowadays nikkas play hot potato with the ball at the end of quarters throwing to each other or keeping the ball in their hands till the clock runs out them hoisting the shot up acting like they didn't know the attempt won't count. This garbage has such a commonplace in todays game that players are even talking about it openly to the media. They admit that they do it so as to not damage their percentages. This is an abomination.
Now you might say that is an isolated situation. That end of the quarter heaves are not a big deal. Well extend that thinking out. If KD isn't gonna throw up a heave at the end of the quarter because he doesn't want to damage his stat line, what about during other parts of the game? Is KD also worried about his fg% throughout the rest of the game? Lets say he has a good look that he would otherwise take but today he's been struggling a little so instead of taking this good shot that could help his team change the momentum of the game, he passes it up to a player who has a worse look. Is that a good play? I remember in the past when great players used to say that the best way to get out of a shooting slump was to keep shooting. Well to this new generation, if your shot isn't falling early, pass up on good looks later on and pass it to other teammates who have worse looks cause you don't want to damage your fg% any further. This type of crap isn't what sports should be about. But thanks to the over emphasis and focus on efficiency now players are doing this crap.
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Nah, you need both. No matter how much you know basketball, you definitely need stats to account for stuff you missed or to help put things into context.
Lebron is a great example. For a 6'8 dude that's built like a tank, Lebron has amazingly good footwork and balance to maximize his finishing ability. He's biomechanically sound at an ungodly consistent rate which is why you see him tend to choose efficiency over flash but anyone who has watched Lebron play knows that he is completely capable of taking and making insane looking shots when he's forced into it. Lebron is also an extremely good defensive player that can play the roll of a legit defensive anchor due to his vision, athletic ability, BBALL IQ, and his patience.
Duncan is another great example. Duncan is an extremely potent scorer who is able to get his shot off against almost any defender, especially in the post. His footwork, vision, and ability to create space is subtly brilliant which is why he was always an option for clutch buckets in the playoffs.
You admit to not seeing the value in playmaking, vision, and passing but Kobe's most successful runs are when his scoring takes a hit and he uses his all-around ability to affect the game in a multlitude of ways. You don't see value in things that aren't "exciting" whereas I see the most value in consistently doing the little things great.
Kobe is a very talented and creative passer but he doesn't naturally see the entire court as consistently to be an elite passer like Bird, Magic, or Bron. That lack of consistency is what makes him a great passer, not an elite or GOAT-tier one. Same reason we all know that Lebron can make those stupid contested shots but he won't make them as consistently as MJ, Kobe, Curry, or the like.
Say all this but name your user name Kobe doeNeither.
Give me a player that loves to pass.
I want the guy that passes out of layups. That gets open looks all game only to find someone to force up a shot for them. I want the guy that couldn't hit a open jumper if their life depended it. Rondo or bust.
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I have to disagree breh. In his career Kobe dropped 60+Points 6 times. When Kobe scored 60+ points he only shot 40 shots twice, once when he scored 81 and his last game of his career. So he doesn't need to shoot 40 to get you 60. Also his shooting % is well over 50% when scoring 60. Kobe's gunning is exaggerated, he hits 45% for his career, which is excellent for someone of his style of play.
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Kobe is a relatively efficient scorer given his volume and type.
It's just he's being compared to Bron, Jordan, and other hyper efficient players who score at a similar volume.
But Kobe is still pretty damn efficient.
Look if you watch an entire game, the post game box score is unnecessary. If you don't watch the game then its a nice cheat sheet. Sorta like how Sparknotes was to actually reading the book. Yes you know the overall story and can speak intelligently about the book in general. But because you didn't actually read it you don't know specifics and you don't understand all of it. Same thing with the box score. If I didn't watch the game, its a nice cheat sheet like Sparknotes. But I won't really know what happened unless I actually watched the game.
If that's the case then this thread is open and shut.
Kobe is the one with a 5-2 finals record while LeBron is 3-4.
5-2 >>> 3-4