El Paso Texas's new migrant camp is under a freeway

[Professor Emeritus]

No one said cape. I said stay out of it, just like they during our issues

How is this difficult to understand?

The guy I just posted that was detained for three years is a Black U.S. Citizen from Jamaica.

I have personal friends from Jamaica who are huge on issues of injustice facing the Black community in America.

Your statement doesn't work at any level.



Back to the original story.

Toddlers got bruises sleeping on gravel when US detained them under a border bridge

Bruises were visible on toddlers and older children who had to lay on rocks and concrete, said Taylor Levy, legal coordinator at Annunciation House.

The El Paso-based shelter is a frequent stopping point for migrants who've been released from government custody. Migrants who'd been held under the bridge told staff there they'd been held from three to five days and "treated worse than dogs," Levy said.

Photos and videos from the scene appeared to show migrant families sitting and at times sleeping on the gravel, with only thin
space blankets between them and the ground.

They didn't even provide sleeping pads for the little kids, just made them sleep out in the open on foil on top of the fukking rocks. We think THIS should happen in America, to anybody?

Of course, what they can't do for human empathy they're willing to do for appearances.

Officials, the organization claimed, decided to move the migrants away from the outdoor detention area ahead of a congressional visit to El Paso.

 

[the cac mamba]

The guy I just posted that was detained for three years is a Black U.S. Citizen from Jamaica.

I have personal friends from Jamaica who are huge on issues of injustice facing the Black community in America.

Your statement doesn't work at any level.



Back to the original story.

Toddlers got bruises sleeping on gravel when US detained them under a border bridge



They didn't even provide sleeping pads for the little kids, just made them sleep out in the open on foil on top of the fukking rocks. We think THIS should happen in America, to anybody?

Of course, what they can't do for human empathy they're willing to do for appearances.

given that these places are already operating at over 100 percent capacity (per cuomo on CNN last night, doing his show from the border), how big is this structure you propose to build? how many beds?

 

[dtownreppin214]

The guy I just posted that was detained for three years is a Black U.S. Citizen from Jamaica.

I have personal friends from Jamaica who are huge on issues of injustice facing the Black community in America.

Your statement doesn't work at any level.



Back to the original story.

Toddlers got bruises sleeping on gravel when US detained them under a border bridge



They didn't even provide sleeping pads for the little kids, just made them sleep out in the open on foil on top of the fukking rocks. We think THIS should happen in America, to anybody?

Of course, what they can't do for human empathy they're willing to do for appearances.

Y'all bleeding heart libs need to stop following for these fake news pics.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Y'all bleeding heart libs need to stop following for these fake news pics.

Breh, did you read the articles? Homeland Security didn't deny any of it and even the spokesman for the Border Patrol union condemned the decision to put them there.

given that these places are already operating at over 100 percent capacity (per cuomo on CNN last night, doing his show from the border), how big is this structure you propose to build? how many beds?

They're only getting an average of 175 asylum seekers/day and the largest groups they're taking in and processing at once are 70-100 people. A 200-bed facility at each processing location, with shifting to other locales if one crossing gets more pressure and expedited processing in rush situations should be plenty and would be easily within budget.

Did you not notice that they were magically able to move them out of there when they heard the Congressional delegation was on the way? This don't have shyt to do with necessity, you're believing the same bullshyt Trump administration spin they've been using since the beginning. The architects of their immigration policy have openly admitted that they're pulling all this bullshyt for the purpose of DETERRENCE, not necessity. Though it might just be playing to their WS base at least as much as actual "deterrence".

 

[Starman]

send them back...That's all I am saying.

 

[the cac mamba]

They're only getting an average of 175 asylum seekers/day and the largest groups they're taking in and processing at once are 70-100 people. A 200-bed facility at each processing location, with shifting to other locales if one crossing gets more pressure and expedited processing in rush situations should be plenty and would be easily within budget.

Did you not notice that they were magically able to move them out of there when they heard the Congressional delegation was on the way? This don't have shyt to do with necessity, you're believing the same bullshyt Trump administration spin they've been using since the beginning. The architects of their immigration policy have openly admitted that they're pulling all this bullshyt for the purpose of DETERRENCE, not necessity. Though it might just be playing to their WS base at least as much as actual "deterrence".

so what do these people bring to the table? why is it in anyone's interest but theirs that they come here? because the definition of "asylum" has been stretched pretty thin lately

i mean lets be dead honest for a second; when a family of 4 comes here who barely speaks english and barely has any skills, we're gonna act like that's a net positive for the american taxpayer? they actually contribute more than they take out?

i think we should start turning more people away because what's happening is the parents end up competing with poor americans for labor jobs, and the kids end up in already underfunded school districts that really don't need the additional class sizes. would you say that's an unfair assessment?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

so what do these people bring to the table? why is it in anyone's interest but theirs that they come here? because the definition of "asylum" has been stretched pretty thin lately

i mean lets be dead honest for a second; when a family of 4 comes here who barely speaks english and barely has any skills, we're gonna act like that's a net positive for the american taxpayer? they actually contribute more than they take out?

i think we should start turning more people away because what's happening is the parents end up competing with poor americans for labor jobs, and the kids end up in already underfunded school districts that really don't need the additional class sizes. would you say that's an unfair assessment?

What makes you think your ancestors all spoke English and had mad skills, you know that or just assuming cause they were white? There's a woman who makes a hobby of taking on angry white people and finding their immigrant history looks exactly the same as the people coming now, just the new ones ain't white.

Let's say that we were total emotionless utilitarian drones, like vulcans or rich white neocons. Even if we were like that, most the studies out there show that immigrants DO contribute more than they take in (because they are working families and their education didn't have to be paid for) and that they tend to provide a net benefit to the economy because the are disproportionately likely to be entrepreneurs and poor people tend to spend their money right back into the system.

Also, USA is undergoing a demographic shift cause White people are having kids way below replacement level, which means that without immigrants we'd be about to have a shytload of old retired people without any young people to actually work the jobs and pay the taxes. Americans only having 1.8 babies per family when replacement level is 2.1, so what your solution to that?

Your logic fails when you claim these people have no English and no skills yet are completing with poor Americans for jobs. Look, if you losing your job to someone with no English and no skills then you got bigger shyt to worry about. I don't think immigrants should be allowed to undercut native people's wages, which is why I argue for a high minimum wage to keep that shyt from happening, and I think the feds should spend their energy cracking down on employers that pay people under the table or below legal wage rather than spending their resources chasing after poor people. But if you a native-born citizen with an American education whose biggest concern is losing your job to Pedro with a 3rd-grade education and no English and no connections and no social knowledge, then you were already losing a long time ago.

And a huge number of immigrants are taking on seasonal jobs that literally no citizens will take. They're bouncing around from state to state doing agricultural jobs at different times of year, or they're taking temporary factory/packing jobs that only last a couple months, or they're filling in gaps in the construction industry that so many native workers have left because the building droughts last too long, or they're doing their own hustle with a food cart or whatever shyt. If there's an impact on native wages it's minimal - studies say 10-20 cents/hour if any. I'd rather concentrate our community on working on BETTER education and BETTER skills training and BETTER economic development and keeping our people OUT of correctional facilities than adopting the White Supremacist line of setting minority groups against each other for the scraps at the bottom of the heap.

 

[the cac mamba]

What makes you think your ancestors all spoke English and had mad skills, you know that or just assuming cause they were white? There's a woman who makes a hobby of taking on angry white people and finding their immigrant history looks exactly the same as the people coming now, just the new ones ain't white.
.

kinda sad that you're incapable of having this discussion without bringing race into it find me mentioning anyone's race in any of these posts. its about sheer numbers and what you bring to the table. not about how tan you are

and yes, there's a lot of white racism that comes into play with the anti-illegal/migrant position. doesn't mean that you get to throw out every negative aspect of it

And a huge number of immigrants are taking on seasonal jobs that literally no citizens will take. T .

that's fine. and a huge number take on jobs that plenty of citizens would take when napoleon deviates from the narrative in here, he's posted plenty of examples. this idea that everyone who comes here illegally picks fruit for 2 dollars an hour is fukking bullshyt

My life was saved by Jesus Christ. .

i always gave you more credit than this, my mistake. aren't you a little old for imaginary friends? how are you gonna bring facts and data into an argument that ends with you stating a completely emotional "feeling" with zero proof?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

kinda sad that you're incapable of having this discussion without bringing race into it find me mentioning anyone's race in any of these posts. its about sheer numbers and what you bring to the table. not about how tan you are

If you studied immigration history you'd know that's bullshyt. Americans have always been fine with more people coming in who looked like them and always had issues when it came to people who were different. That's been the trend for at least 300 years.

I mean, this is literally how they think:

And as people have pointed out to you before, immigration peaked back in 2006, right now there are FEWER illegal immigrants in the country than there were 10 years ago. And with birthrates below replacement level, total numbers ain't an issue either. This has already been explained.

that's fine. and a huge number take on jobs that plenty of citizens would take when napoleon deviates from the narrative in here, he's posted plenty of examples. this idea that everyone who comes here illegally picks fruit for 2 dollars an hour is fukking bullshyt

I'm sure he's posted "examples", and I've posted facts. A large percentage of immigrants take on jobs where there are gaps - like you pointed out, they don't have the background/skills to do otherwise. Of course that ain't 100%, but as I pointed out in an earlier thread even the anti-immigration papers are only able to show wage depression for native workers of a few cents. I don't think our communities need to be fighting with Brown people over who gets to be the rich white elite's underclass, there are better aspirations than that.

i always gave you more credit than this, my mistake. aren't you a little old for imaginary friends? how are you gonna bring facts and data into an argument that ends with you stating a completely emotional "feeling" with zero proof?

I'm sorry you don't understand that. My life was literally changed in every way by what God did to it. And I didn't state a "completely emotional feeling with zero proof". If you have a certain aspect of my statement you want to contest, go for it, but your little ad hominem attacks aren't adding to your reputation as an honest debater.

 

[the cac mamba]

If you studied immigration history you'd know that's bullshyt. Americans have always been fine with more people coming in who looked like them .

oh, bullshyt go watch gangs of new york

I'm sure he's posted "examples", and I've posted facts. A large percentage of immigrants take on jobs where there are gaps - like you pointed out, they don't have the background/skills to do otherwise. Of course that ain't 100%, but as I pointed out in an earlier thread even the anti-immigration papers are only able to show wage depression for native workers of a few cents. I don't think our communities need to be fighting with Brown people over who gets to be the rich white elite's underclass, there are better aspirations than that.
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we both know that a family of 4 who brings little to nothing to the table is a net negative on the american taxpayer you think we need warm bodies in a country that has 330 million people and a quarter of those living in poverty already; i don't. i guess we can agree to disagree, no one's really gonna prove it in either direction

and again, i dont take issue with people coming here, or trying to come here, but we can't let everyone in and i dont give a fukk about people who get turned away at the border. there's too many people already here who this country doesn't take care of

My life was literally changed in every way by what God did to it. And I didn't state a "completely emotional feeling with zero proof". .

yes the fukk you did. and are

but im glad god chose to take an interest in your life. you must be a special guy

how does that work anyway, when god changed your life but left millions of other people out to dry; hell, the very people you're advocating for? did he pick your name out of a hat that month?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

oh, bullshyt go watch gangs of new york

It's an urban myth that you only use 10% of your brain at any time, but I'm starting to think for some people it's true.

That was a perfect example of my point and you think it helps your point?

Think Irish immigrants were considered to be English White people in the mid-1800s brehs.

how does that work anyway, when god changed your life but left millions of other people out to dry; hell, the very people you're advocating for? did he pick your name out of a hat that month?

Why the hell you think God left them out to dry? God put people in my life to change it, maybe he's pointing us in their lives to change theirs. I have personal friends who are housing refugees right now. But it's always been my experience that God don't change anything by force - he gives us the opportunity to make the world better and we can choose to make it either heaven or hell.

I wonder what right you think you have to speak about God's relationship with poor people anyway. Have you even lived in a poor community in your life? If you did you'd realize your talking points are pretty dry.

 

[the cac mamba]

Why the hell you think God left them out to dry? God put people in my life to change it, .

so god felt like doing something for you, but not them you ARE special. poster of the year? more like "the creator of the universe and everything in it cares about my day to day life"

there's nothing like watching arrogance masquerade as humility, in the form of religion

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Simple. Don't come in illegal, don't get caged....bubu stick to the rule of law about treatment for law breakers. Same virtue signaling hypocritical talking points

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Will you find a trayvon thread on the brown pride forum? Or any black kid getting killed by the police? Usually it's

hold on, lemme search the web for the most popular Guatemalan asylum seekers locked in a cage under a freeway discussion forums

I just gave it to you. It's the Raza's forum ..it's called brown pride...literally

I somehow missed this whole exchange.

Tommy Knocks is literally mouthing a Rush Limbaugh talking point. Find the most race-focused non-Black group you can and use them to create Black-Brown division.

And not only was it originally a Limbaugh talking point....it was a lie.

A Complete Investigation is Vital for Justice in Trayvon Martin Case
Janet Murguía, Contributor
President and CEO, National Council of La Raza

The death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed African American teenager who was fatally shot by a neighborhood watch member in a gated community outside Orlando, FL, remains an unresolved and disturbing incident. The lack of action from the police—despite mounting evidence that the findings of their initial and unconscionably cursory investigation are incorrect—has led to national outrage, online petitions with thousands of signatures, national mobilizations, and a Department of Justice investigation. Unfortunately, Trayvon Martin’s death reminds us of a frightening time in our country’s history when violent crimes perpetrated against African Americans went unreported or were protected by law enforcement authorities.

Earlier this month, NCLR joined with African American civil rights leaders to march from Selma to Montgomery, AL. We marched against unjust and discriminatory laws that threatened to take away our vote and our civil rights. We marched for a common struggle against a hateful environment that is being sown in not only Alabama, but throughout the United States. It is an environment that says that if you are Latino, you somehow “don’t belong” in this country. It is also an environment that says that if you are African American in this country, you don’t have the right to walk on the street.

The fact that the Sanford police chose not to fully and thoroughly investigate this incident is unconscionable and unacceptable. From numerous media and witness reports, it seems that the police failed in their most basic and fundamental duty to the citizens they are sworn to protect.

NCLR joins allies in the civil rights community in calling for a real investigation for this grievous failure of justice. We urge members of the Latino community to join the rally taking place on Thursday, March 22 at 7:00 p.m. at the First Shiloh Baptist Church in Sanford, FL to demand justice for Trayvon Martin and to stand for the protections that all Americans deserve.

We commend the Department of Justice for launching a federal investigation into the matter and we urge an exhaustive look into what actually happened and who needs to be held accountable—including George Zimmerman, as well as law enforcement—for that tragic night.

"We really regret people trying to use this to divide blacks and Latinos," said Lisa Navarrete, a spokeswoman for La Raza. "It's disturbing to us that Rush Limbaugh has this theory. The only time he apparently cares about what happens to a Latino is when they may have happened to kill a young African-American man."

The fact that George Zimmerman is Latino is irrelevant to his actions," Navarette, who is an adviser to Murguia, said in response to the criticism. "Personally that's the media's fault. Everything has to fit into a narrative and a paradigm. Initially it was a white guy who shot a black kid. Now they've split the difference," she said.

"Unfortunately, being Hispanic does not mean that you aren't capable of bigotry or discrimination," Navarette said. "It does not condone or preclude him (Zimmerman) from having acted in a discriminatory manner."

In Orlando, Navarette said one of the first people to reach out to the Martin family lawyer was Marytza Sanz, who is affiliated with La Raza and runs a Latino leadership nonprofit near Sanford.

"Look, there are tensions between our two communities, but it would be a further injustice if this incident was used to further that," she said. "We've been in touch with Rev. Al Sharpton and Ben Jealous at the NAACP, and as this continues we've offered our support to them."

On March 20, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus released a statement asking for the Department of Justice to pursue the matter as a federal hate crime.
"The Department of Justice is sending a message to the Martin family and to communities of color that our children's lives have value and deserve equal protection under the law," said Rep. Charlie Gonzalez, D-Texas, leader of the caucus.

Letter to DOJ Regarding Trayvon Martin from Marc Morial, Al Sharpton, Ben Jealous, Melanie Campbell, Janet Murguia

Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr.
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530

Dear Attorney General Holder:

In light of the acquittal in the trial of George Zimmerman for the killing of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin, the undersigned organizations commend the decision by the Department of Justice to keep its investigation open while working to determine whether civil rights statutes were violated and whether federal prosecution is appropriate. Further, we beseech the Department to pursue such a federal criminal civil rights investigation to the fullest extent.

While we are aware that the DOJ launched an initial investigation last year and respect the process to carry justice through the state level, it is obvious that the process was unsuccessful. We strongly urge the DOJ to proceed in conducting a responsible investigation of the civil rights violations committed by George Zimmerman in connection with the death of Trayvon Martin, including the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act.

We firmly believe that the evidence will point to an egregious violation of the most fundamental of civil rights -- the right to life. There can be no victory in this case because the life of a young person was senselessly and needlessly cut short. But we can demand and achieve justice for Trayvon Martin, his parents and his family. Further, to echo our President, we can work to "prevent future tragedies like this." That's not just the way to honor Trayvon Martin – it is the way to honor justice and equality in America.

Marc H. Morial
President and CEO
National Urban League

Rev. Al Sharpton
Founder and President
National Action Network

Benjamin Jealous
President and CEO
NAACP

Melanie L. Campbell
President and CEO, National Coalition on Black Civic Participation
Convener, Black Women’s Roundtable Public Policy Network

Janet Murguía
President and CEO
National Council of La Raza

Solidarity can’t be ‘invisibilized’
Published Apr 11, 2012 9:23 PM
Following are excerpts from a statement by Latinos for Trayvon Martin issued at Hostos Community College in the Bronx, N.Y., on April 5.

We Latinos for Trayvon Martin, a coalition of Hostos professors, administrators and students are gathered [here] today because the history of this Latino institution demands we speak out. Hostos Community College is a college born out of the struggle of Latinos for educational equality and against American racism. Over 40 years after its founding we are called upon to denounce a despicable travesty of justice that has led to the murder of one of our children, uno de nuestros niños, Trayvon Martin.

We call on the Sanford, Fla., police, the Seminole County District Attorney’s Office, and the Florida Special Prosecutor’s office to expedite their investigations and indict George Zimmerman on felony homicide charges. If the Florida law enforcement cannot meet their obligation to its citizens of color, then we call on the Department of Justice to prosecute this incident as a civil rights violation. We also call on all Americans of good faith to contact their legislators and support the repeal of all “stand your ground” laws now practiced in 21 states.

Does anyone seriously believe that if Trayvon had been a white teenager killed by a Black assailant that assailant would be free? The Martin family have conducted themselves with nobility, but we insist the predator that killed their son be arrested.

Signals have been sent that vigilante-style terror is the call of the day. Zimmerman must be arrested so that we as a nation have some closure to one of the worse incidents of racially motivated violence in recent history.

We are troubled by the specter that some in the media have chosen to focus on the irrelevant issue of Zimmerman being Latino because of his Peruvian mother. However, the only relevant question is whether there is enough probable cause to indict him for his crimes.

We are also very disturbed by what we perceive as an effort to divide Black and/or Latino communities by implying that Latinos have remained “silent” on Trayvon’s killing. Only last week, many Latinos joined their African-American brethren in a march from Selma to Montgomery, Ala.

We remind the media that major statements have already been issued by the National Council of La Raza, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, the National Institute for Latino Policy, and many other groups, yet our views have been ignored. We have not been silent, but we have been “invisibilized.” America, are you listening?

But if George Zimmerman was hoping to find support in the Latino community, he should look elsewhere.

“The Latino community joins the African-American community and other communities in condemning George Zimmerman as what he is – a murderer and a racist,” Roberto Lovato, co-founder of the online Latino advocacy organization Presente.org, told The Daily Caller.

The group is acting on Trayvon’s behalf. Presente.org has joined with Color of Change to petition for the arrest of Martin’s murderer.

“Todos somos Trayvon! (We are all Trayvon!),” Presente.org wrote, urging supporters to sign the petition. The group also has a petition to condemn Geraldo Rivera for blaming Martin’s hoodie for his death. According to Lovato, the petition currently has 18,000 signatures.

La Raza has rallied for Martin with the civil rights community as well.

Various Spanish-language websites covering the incident in solidarity with Trayvon

No justice, no peace: raza y represión en EEUU - Todo Por Hacer

Trayvon Martin y los prejuicios raciales

I am Trayvon Martin and My Life Matters | Dignidad Rebelde

Obama dice que él podría haber sido Trayvon Martin

 

[jj23]

kinda sad that you're incapable of having this discussion without bringing race into it find me mentioning anyone's race in any of these posts. its about sheer numbers and what you bring to the table. not about how tan you are

and yes, there's a lot of white racism that comes into play with the anti-illegal/migrant position. doesn't mean that you get to throw out every negative aspect of it


that's fine. and a huge number take on jobs that plenty of citizens would take when napoleon deviates from the narrative in here, he's posted plenty of examples. this idea that everyone who comes here illegally picks fruit for 2 dollars an hour is fukking bullshyt




i always gave you more credit than this, my mistake. aren't you a little old for imaginary friends? how are you gonna bring facts and data into an argument that ends with you stating a completely emotional "feeling" with zero proof?

How do you have a conversation about this without realizing it's largely racially motivated? That's like talking about the police killing black men and trying to avoid race. It's a shytty segue attempt.

You have been given numbers to show immigration is going down and the US on a whole takes in less immigrants than other nations.

There isn't a crisis. It's made up to get people like you in your feelings.