Elway was overrated right?

[bigde09]

Everyone knows Elway is overrated.

The real convo needs to be about Marino After his first four amazing seasons he was just good. And after the Achilles injury he was washed

 

[Bboystyle]

Everyone knows Elway is overrated.

The real convo needs to be about Marino After his first four amazing seasons he was just good. And after the Achilles injury he was washed

Thing about Marino is no one over rates. Hes actually underated. Posted the best single season in the 80s. He gets more flack for not getting a ring then any other greats.

 

[zayk35]

One thing for sure is you will fade away if you don't get no rings. Even having great success in the playoffs, I count multiple championship games appearances and at least 1 super bowl appearance, but not winning one at all and the further down the road you get ppl won't even remember you. John Elway had been to multiple super bowls and was about to be one of those forgotten qbs. He won them 2 rings and that completely changed the story of his career. If Jim Kelly had won at least one of those 1 rings in 4 straight super bowl appearances, the accomplishment of just making to 4 straight super bowls would be more of a big deal, because it should be.
All it takes is one, maybe 2 if you won early.

 

[TaxCollector13459]

One thing for sure is tou will fade away if you don't get no rings. Even having great success in the playoffs, I count multiple championship games appearances and at least 1 super bowl appearance, but not winning one at all and the further down the road you get ppl won't even remember you. John Elway had been to multiple super bowls and was about to be one of those forgotten qbs. He won them 2 rings and that completely changed the story of his career. If Jim Kelly had won at least one of those 1 rings in 4 straight super bowl appearances, the accomplishment of just making to 4 straight super bowls would be more of a big deal, because it should be.
All it takes is one, maybe 2 if you won early.

Yep,
Or basically smash through the record books to the point your name damn near top 5 everything ala Favre(even though he got his too): though he woulda been the only exception I think just off dem 3 straight MVPs

history is going to be way kinder to Staffford just off the strength of getting one just like it’s not gonna be kind to Matt Ryan/rivers

 

[Bboystyle]

Yep,
Or basically smash through the record books to the point your name damn near top 5 everything ala Favre(even though he got his too): though he woulda been the only exception I think just off dem 3 straight MVPs

history is going to be way kinder to Staffford just off the strength of getting one just like it’s not gonna be kind to Matt Ryan/rivers

As it shouldnt for Ryan and Rivers(ol' lemon head ass nikka) especially Rivers who only made the AFC ship game once and never the super bowl. And he has a horrible playoff record.

 

[NYC Rebel]

He was still blown out the water by the elite QBs in his time

Like with Shanny he graduated to peak Bernie Kosar Status

Bernie Kosar and Elway were considered peers. Montana and Marino were the higher echelon peers of that era.

 

[Trav]

I think what helps Elway is just how DRASTIC his stats increase was with Shanahan

It made people realize "hmm, maybe Elway could have been putting up better numbers if he had a better oc/system "


Remember: Joe Montana, Steve Young, and Brett Favre ALL played on west coast offenses that are KNOWN for generating easy completions. That boosts efficiency (completion percentage, yards, lowers int %).

Look at Mahomes this year and how the Chiefs offense is largely just schemes up drag routes

The Marino offense in Miami was spread out with Marino throwing downfield to wicked fast receivers against basic run-stopping defenses

Meanwhile Elway played in an old school run first pass second offense

A post with nuance

 

[mastermind]

Allen is faster. Thats the only thing hes better at than Elway

Bigger, faster, better arm strength, better accuracy, better throwing on the run

Elway teeth are more yellow and horsey. I will give you that.

 

[premier58]

Thanks

I'm reading those dudes posts right now. That's a compelling case so far, I'll finish it soon

Anytime, my guy. Keep this is mind, also. Michael Vicks 2nd best passing season of his career, was arguably under Dan Reeves.

 

[premier58]

Everyone knows Elway is overrated.

The real convo needs to be about Marino After his first four amazing seasons he was just good. And after the Achilles injury he was washed

Marino was a monster in 94, his first season after the Achilles injury.

 

[mastermind]

Everyone knows Elway is overrated.

The real convo needs to be about Marino After his first four amazing seasons he was just good. And after the Achilles injury he was washed

Marino wasn’t washed after that injury

I will say, he needed 70s Don Shula instead of what he had.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Now nikkas trying to shyt on Marino. smh This generation is trash

 

[KidJSoul]

Anytime, my guy. Keep this is mind, also. Michael Vicks 2nd best passing season of his career, was arguably under Dan Reeves.

Finally got back to this!

Some great posts in that thesad.

So the sample size of backup QBs was pretty big, enough to where it definitely shows that Elway wasn't running the system as effectively as he could have. His coverage reading wasn't that great or consistent, at least.

Along with what you and others pointed out about Dan Reeves's other QBs who were good (Chris chandler, vick). It's very damning.

Based on what I've seen from Elway with his game winning drives... or the games where he called his own plays... it seems like he deliberately played out of structure sometimes. He tried to generate big plays. So his peaks could be good, but his floor was ugly as fukk.

Basically... it's his capability over his actual on field performance that makes his legacy. That isn't to say he wasn't great on field - but he was not consistently strong a performer on the field in the regular season as he could have been.

One person did mention how many other backup QBs performed well (Steve deberg in the 90s, Jason garret). So it's not unusual.

But yeah. Elway is a fascinating case. Definitely can't blame Dan Reeves as much.

 

[premier58]

Finally got back to this!

Some great posts in that thesad.

So the sample size of backup QBs was pretty big, enough to where it definitely shows that Elway wasn't running the system as effectively as he could have. His coverage reading wasn't that great or consistent, at least.

Along with what you and others pointed out about Dan Reeves's other QBs who were good (Chris chandler, vick). It's very damning.

Based on what I've seen from Elway with his game winning drives... or the games where he called his own plays... it seems like he deliberately played out of structure sometimes. He tried to generate big plays. So his peaks could be good, but his floor was ugly as fukk.

Basically... it's his capability over his actual on field performance that makes his legacy. That isn't to say he wasn't great on field - but he was not consistently strong a performer on the field in the regular season as he could have been.

One person did mention how many other backup QBs performed well (Steve deberg in the 90s, Jason garret). So it's not unusual.

But yeah. Elway is a fascinating case. Definitely can't blame Dan Reeves as much.

My bad for the late reply. Been sleep most of the day. Yea, Elway is a guy who totally gets credited due to his pedigree and prodigious physical ability. It is way to easy to pick apart his resume. Only six seasons of 20 td passes in 16 seasons. Throwing Dan Reeves under the bus to absolve Elway of poor play is downright dishonest and slanderous

 

[b. woods]

As it shouldnt for Ryan and Rivers especially Rivers who only made the AFC ship game once and never the super bowl. And he has a horrible playoff record.

Surprised you didn't call him "Lemonhead" as usual