mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
shut up, dummy.
Elway was overrated right?
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mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
you deserve nothing else. your posts have been destroyed in this thread because you didnt bother reading the posts but instead interjecting your pearls of ignorance.good counter point
I read the posts including your posts and feel dumber after doing so, you were born in 84 im assuming which means you have no authority to speak on Elway at all fukk outta here with your bs
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
I read the posts including your posts and feel dumber after doing so, you were born in 84 im assuming which means you have no authority to speak on Elway at all fukk outta here with your bs
Dude was great period. He had a great long career, was a leader, got better and better as he aged, had memorable moments, and went out a champion. So of course he's gonna have fanboy worship status. Your stat geeks can really get annoying, stats don't tell the whole story, with people like Elway.
yseJ
Empire strikes back
depends on what stats
judging a db's value by picks and passes defended dont tell you anything, same as sacks for DEs and LBs
looking at qb TDs and picks, there is no way to discount them. picks are picks and td's are td's. turnovers lose you games and passing TDs put points on the board.
you already were told that even by those standards back in the day, elway wasnt in the company of elites like montana or marino or even jim kelly
his career is best compared to warren moon, except without the rings elway got with shanny and TD.
no one saying he is a bad qb. people are just saying hes overrated since he is mentioned in top 5 and close to the top so much. how can a qb be top 5 when 2/3 of his career he had 1:1 TD:int ratio
if people were putting him around where warren moon is ranked, shyt would be much more fair.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
you wasting your time responding to that idiot.depends on what stats
judging a db's value by picks and passes defended dont tell you anything, same as sacks for DEs and LBs
looking at qb TDs and picks, there is no way to discount them. picks are picks and td's are td's. turnovers lose you games and passing TDs put points on the board.
you already were told that even by those standards back in the day, elway wasnt in the company of elites like montana or marino or even jim kelly
his career is best compared to warren moon, except without the rings elway got with shanny and TD.
no one saying he is a bad qb. people are just saying hes overrated since he is mentioned in top 5 and close to the top so much. how can a qb be top 5 when 2/3 of his career he had 1:1 TD:int ratio
if people were putting him around where warren moon is ranked, shyt would be much more fair.
Field Marshall Bradley
Veteran
Lost credibility right there....
MOON>>>>Elway.........and fukk your stats,,,,,They're worthless if you've never seen them play in their prime.......
MOON is in Marino, Montana class as far as pure ability and QB'ing is concerned......But yall don't know no better for real
yseJ
Empire strikes back
moon isnt int marino, montana class as far as career performances go... sorry I dont really give a shyt about 'pure ability' in vacuum.
saying moon >>>> elway is fine with me, although I dont think theres a huge difference per se...theyre in the same category.
threattonature
Veteran
depends on what stats
judging a db's value by picks and passes defended dont tell you anything, same as sacks for DEs and LBs
looking at qb TDs and picks, there is no way to discount them. picks are picks and td's are td's. turnovers lose you games and passing TDs put points on the board.
you already were told that even by those standards back in the day, elway wasnt in the company of elites like montana or marino or even jim kelly
his career is best compared to warren moon, except without the rings elway got with shanny and TD.
no one saying he is a bad qb. people are just saying hes overrated since he is mentioned in top 5 and close to the top so much. how can a qb be top 5 when 2/3 of his career he had 1:1 TD:int ratio
if people were putting him around where warren moon is ranked, shyt would be much more fair.
I disagree with this. For one you got some QBs who pad their TD stats at the goalline in situations where most teams would run the ball. You see it a lot with Peyton where it can be first and goal and they're calling pass plays. So if you play with a coach who is run oriented a QB's TD numbers can take a big hit.
And if a QB is playing with a bad receiving core that can find themselves in situations where they are stuck trying to fit a ball in or throw their receivers open which can lead to more interceptions.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
threattonature
Veteran
I wasn't speaking on the topic at hand but more so about if INTs and TDs could be used as viable tools to measure a QB.The Broncos receiving core didn't suck though.
I was honestly too damn young during Marino and Elways prime to truly have gauged who was the better QB.
That would be sick though if NFL or someone put together packages to show players old games where they cut all the between play stuff out to make it easy to go back and watch a player's old games.