Embiid is the MVP, followed by Giannis. Jokic can't be a 6th seed winning MVP

[No1]

Should MVP go only to players elite on both sides of the ball?

It should be a tie-breaker.

 

[Dwight Howard]

Should MVP go only to players elite on both sides of the ball?

Im just saying ...when it's this tight, there has to be other factors considered. Jokis gets the edge for playmaking easily, but emiid is a far superior defender. What do you value more? Or, what's more important for their respective teams? Denver would he trash offensively without jokic but Philly defense would be beyond awful without embiid as a rim protector, especially with Ben gone. I think there's a good case for both. Looking at this year's race, I'm starting to think the "best player on the best team" approach isn't wrong because booker is a worthy mvp candidate although he hasn't outplayed jokic, embiid, or giannis. Those 3 have other elite components to their game (playmaking/defense), while booker is only elite at scoring. Jokic, embiid, and giannis all deserve mvp based off their impact but booker winning mvp wouldn't be offensive

Bottomline, NBA needs to implement a CLEAR criteria.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

OP is just like a lot of people who remember those years Kobe and LeBron were putting up great numbers with trash teams and lost MVP to Nash and Dirk. That’s what it’s really about. A precedent was set and people resent it being reversed for Jokic. Notice how there’s more blowback this year than last year. You guys are all focusing on his stats and the circumstances of this season when the argument for MVP has always been based on narratives and the predominant one is wins. This is what Ja was getting at and what Draymond is getting at.

I think a lot of you think that you’re smarter than the anti-analytics crowd and are ignoring that for over a decade people have argued for looking at who has done the most and who is the best player and that got shot down again and again. OP didn’t create that precedent. Jokic is deserving but I’m about consistency and if we are overturning precedent I need an explanation of why and it’s got to be better than that’s just how we feel. Because if he’s the one seed next year and his numbers take a step back because Murray and MPJ are there — he would still be the odds on favorite unless someone was within 5 wins of him.

Did you happen to miss when Westbrook won MVP (within the last decade) on a 6th seed?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It's funny how all y'all are kicking up dust on Jokic's MVP campaign this season, yet didn't do the same back in 2017 for Westbrook. In fact, I remember all y'all falling over yourselves to crown his achievement of averaging a triple-double, almost completely ignoring where his team was seeded. Now you want there to be clear definitive criteria that the voting panel adhere to, arguing over technicalities over seeding when there's minimal difference between the records of the candidates.

I sense a different energy here for Jokic that I wasn't seeing for Westbrook.

 

[nieman]

Hypothetical and not relevant. That's not how the MVP has been judged

There's no set criteria for MVP. Take Nash - whichever narrative you want to use dif not apply for the other. It's never been about only wins. Best player on the best team makes as much sense as if you take that player off that team narrative. And then there's the outrageous stats argument. They're all independent of each other.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Dwight Howard

I remember you being one of the biggest advocates for Russ winning MVP back in 2017, so why the sudden change in energy this season for a player in a similar position? Don't try run now either.

 

[ALonelyDad]

 

[Controversy]

Easily the mvp, shouldn't even be a discussion

 

[RajWatts]

2000 1000 500 never been done. Not even by Wilt or MJ. He sealed the award tonite

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

 

[T.he I.nformant]

OP is just like a lot of people who remember those years Kobe and LeBron were putting up great numbers with trash teams and lost MVP to Nash and Dirk. That’s what it’s really about. A precedent was set and people resent it being reversed for Jokic. Notice how there’s more blowback this year than last year. You guys are all focusing on his stats and the circumstances of this season when the argument for MVP has always been based on narratives and the predominant one is wins. This is what Ja was getting at and what Draymond is getting at.

I think a lot of you think that you’re smarter than the anti-analytics crowd and are ignoring that for over a decade people have argued for looking at who has done the most and who is the best player and that got shot down again and again. OP didn’t create that precedent. Jokic is deserving but I’m about consistency and if we are overturning precedent I need an explanation of why and it’s got to be better than that’s just how we feel. Because if he’s the one seed next year and his numbers take a step back because Murray and MPJ are there — he would still be the odds on favorite unless someone was within 5 wins of him.

 

[T.he I.nformant]

All jokes and biases aside and just for the love of the game for a moment, it’s awesome to see this resurgence of big men who are all incredibly dynamic and impact the game and their team’s success in all kinds of ways. Jokic, Giannis, and Embiid are all deserving of MVP recognition. Fans of two of them will have a right to be disappointed if their guy doesn’t win but unless the NBA does something crazy like split the trophy only one can wear the crown.

Even though those guys have been the three front runners I don’t think Luka, Tatum, and Book are too far behind. They also deserve to be in the convo too. Everyone mentioned is still young too. Some days it feels like the NBA is in great hands and there’s still a very bright future ahead.

 

[MJ Truth]

Kinda surprised how Luka has been completely been shut out of this discussion.

 

[ALonelyDad]

Dr. J says Jokic is the NBA MVP, not Embiid

Philly faithful are with Jokic

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Jokic should get it. Plus I wanna see him win again to see Coli nikkas in an outrage