Eminem got clout, right? So why continue to go the Pop route with his music?

[Double J]

Yeah.
His production is some of the most bland shyt.
All his beats have the same damn drum pattern, lmao!

Granted some of his beats we're terrible (Loyal to the Game ) but a lot of his beats we're really good. His best album The Eminem Show was almost completely produced by himself

Yeah, the fact that he was doing a Ken Kaniff skit in 2013, with the exact same joke as the Relapse skit, lets you know he's been running on fumes for a while now.

I know Relapse wasn't for everyone (I thought it was dope), but that was the last time Eminem actually sounded like his old self for an entire project. Subject matter aside, his flow and delivery were five-star. Like the way he ended the second verse of "Insane":

"Ain't he raw? Yeah, maniac, that's Shady, dog
Man, that motherfukker's gangsta, ain't he, dog?
Shady, dog, what be going through that fukking brain of yours?
Say no more, what the fukk you waiting for? Sing along"

Everyone kept saying he sounded off and even Eminem looks at that album as him relearning how to rap. No, his albums after that sound like he's relearning how to rap. Compare what he was doing on Relapse to "Not Afraid" or "No Love" a year later. It doesn't even sound like the same rapper.

If he had dropped Relapse 2 like he was going to, ignored what everyone was saying and kept his flow/delivery from that period, his later years wouldn't have been so bad. But then he switched up everything because he wanted to be more like Taylor Swift and Katy Perry instead of Nas and Jay-Z.

Relapse was the last album where he was actually being himself and his best post prime album but those accents and the subject matter completely ruined it

 

[SunZoo]

U right
He don’t come on the breakfast club or hot 97

He barely does phone interviews with Sway and it's his radio station.

 

[SunZoo]

Is it really my soul to keep, or have I sold it cheap?

 

[I love Latina women]

Granted some of his beats we're terrible (Loyal to the Game ) but a lot of his beats we're really good. His best album The Eminem Show was almost completely produced by himself

The edges were smoothed out by Jeff Bass with the beats Eminem co produced w/ him. That's what helped.
Eminem's beats are bland, simple and plain. shyt sounds like a starter beat.

 

[Double J]

yeah I noticed that too. All of his best beats we're with Jeff Bass. Once he got rid of Jeff Bass and started working with Luis Resto his beats became ass.

 

[I love Latina women]

@SunZoo

I posted this on page 4 of this thread but I didn't know if u read this interview Em and Paul did back in January of this year

Eminem and New Def Jam CEO Paul Rosenberg on Early 'Broke Days,' Courting Controversy and Hip-Hop's Future

 

[I love Latina women]

yeah I noticed that too. All of his best beats we're with Jeff Bass. Once he got rid of Jeff Bass and started working with Luis Resto his beats became ass.

Eminem did better work with Jeff Bass but Eminem ain't a good producer at all.
Cats like Jeff and Luis added some shyt to his beats cause Em's beats are as bland and basic as it gets.
Luis did some good keyboard work on songs.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

Granted some of his beats we're terrible (Loyal to the Game ) but a lot of his beats we're really good. His best album The Eminem Show was almost completely produced by himself

Relapse was the last album where he was actually being himself and his best post prime album but those accents and the subject matter completely ruined it

Yeah, when it comes to modern Eminem, Relapse is definitely his best album. I'm not going to lie like he had fire verses throughout because a lot of it was just him saying whatever disturbing shyt he could come up with, but it was the way he delivered his content. The accents are what they are, but he was actually riding the beats, his delivery was smooth, and he sounded hungry again. No awkward inflections, no shouting for emphasis, no starting and stopping for no reason. It actually sounded like he wrote his verses to fit the beat, instead of the beat having to fit his verses like on his later albums.

 

[Deltron]

"Eminem" is a corporate entity.

If you think he would rather cram songs with Pink and Ed Sheran on his album than do joints with Royce or his new signees you haven't been paying attention.



Them nikkas ain't making Interscope no money, Eminem albums are INTERSCOPE PRODUCT, PERIOD.

He's been having to to obligatory shyt from jump and has bytched and moaned about it. You think him selling like he did gave him MORE leeway? That just made his releases even more vital for the labels bottom line. He tried to drop MMLP with "The Way I Am" as the first single and was told it wasn't getting pressed up until they had another goofy single that could duplicate My Name Is success, that was the formula so he did what he was asked.

Speaking of Redman he was trying to sign him and Pharoah Monch to Shady...but the deal probably fell through because they were going to sit on the shelf like the bulk of that roster at the time because they were not going to press up albums for rappers out of respect of them being legends.

It's why that SH album won't see the light of day. Not enough ROI to warrant giving them another chance.

couldn't he buy himself out or whatever, if he's that miserable? Although he never struck me as one for action...cause he definitely could've done mad endorsements, deals, etc. if he ever felt inclined

 

[SunZoo]

couldn't he buy himself out or whatever, if he's that miserable? Although he never struck me as one for action...cause he definitely could've done mad endorsements, deals, etc. if he ever felt inclined

I said in another thread that I think it's less about money and more about him being loyal to his mentors (Dre, Jimmy, Paul). As long as he's getting his feedback from them and the suits, kinda pointless to rock the boat. Even if that was an option who much is "Eminem" worth? Probably a shyt ton.

 

[XannyWarbucks]

Really wish he would go for jazz beats.

He actually doesn't have an clout. He was pushed by the machine and can't really tell them to fukk off. He makes them too much money, so they're not gonna let him do something that makes less money,
It would require a bunch of hustling to get out of his deal, and judging by his interviews, Em doesn't want to do anything but write. Dude is autistic or someshyt, he has all that money and doesn't do or go anywhere with it. He really just writes all day long.

 

[JustCKing]

its funny cause if he actually made a dope hip hop album with some legends and or just dope rappers in general, it wouldve sold way more than this bs he did with these pop acts

the fact that he keeps going the recovery route shows how out of touch he is

Em keeps going the Recovery route because it sold more than when he did a Hip Hop album with Relapse. If Relapse did Recovery numbers, he wouldn't be out here with Rihanna, Pink, Beyonce, and Skyler Grey penned and featured hooks/choruses over sappy, Pop driven production.

 

[TransJenner]

Granted some of his beats we're terrible (Loyal to the Game ) but a lot of his beats we're really good. His best album The Eminem Show was almost completely produced by himself

Relapse was the last album where he was actually being himself and his best post prime album but those accents and the subject matter completely ruined it

I read somewhere that Quik taught him a lot about production during TES

 

[BluntTrauma]

Just imagine if he dropped a mixtape with songs in the vault from 97'-03'

 

[1-8-7-Skillz]

I asked myself this exact same question a couple of times over the years.
He would sell a good portion of records regardless of the type of music he does, so it wouldnt be an issue to actually record good music and put it out. He would definetely need someone coaching him though, but looking at Dres last output who knows if thats even the guy that could get Em to do a good album....
Maybe Alc, but somehow hes completely unused...