They said I can't rap about bein broke no more
They ain't say I can't rap about coke no more
Dude is so valgur
"I don't want to hit no woman but this chick has it coming"
Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP turns 16 this weekend
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Dude is so valgur
"I don't want to hit no woman but this chick has it coming"
If they're rabid Em fans they're gonna know he's featured on a big Jay Z album especially since the song is one of his wit Royce, plenty Em fans only listen to him its mad cacs that say they don't like rap but like Em. Back then it was more likely that people would buy an album to listen to a song, hell til this day white folks buy albums even tho they can steal it and most of those Em stans I'm talkin bout are white folks. Funny so many of you posters on this "predominantly black" site are bothered by what I'm sayin.
Nobody's bothered by what you're saying. What you're saying just doesn't make sense. Sure, people bought entire albums because they liked a single. "Renegade" wasn't a single. Knowing about the song required you checking for Blueprint. You weren't going to turn on the radio and there it was. Like I said, if Jay wanted to capitalize off Eminem's fan base, he could've just made the song a single. Plenty of rappers have featured Eminem on their songs. Few of them have been singles.
They said I can't rap about bein broke no more
They ain't say I can't rap about coke no more
I remember my face being stuck on
from that point in the song for a good bit after.dude was fukking beastly the way he was stringing shyt together.
"these motherfukkers are thinking I'm playing
thinking I'm saying this shyt
cause I'm thinking it just to be saying it!?"
"Put your hands down, bytch.
I ain't gone shoot you.
I'ma pull YOU to this bullet and put it THROUGH you!"
Em from the start of MMLP to the end of the bonus track on 8 mile (stimulate) was a goddamn monster. Just wrecking shyt left and right like a cac Godzilla.
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shyt had me shook
shyt had me shook
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Clearly you're bothered by what I'm sayin since you came out of nowhere to bytch at me about it, what I'm sayin makes perfect sense you just don't like it. I never said it was a single I never even said all his stans bought the album I just pointed out Jay put Em on the album in hopes his fans would buy it, people who are hardcore fans of a rapper would know if they featured on an album by one of the biggest rappers out especially if the song was originally made by the rapper they're a fan of like I mentioned. Jay didn't have to make it a single to capitalize on his fanbase neither did those other rappers, what doesn't make sense is you actin like people won't know about a song unless it's a single when anyone could just look at the back of the CD to see the song on it and stans stay checkin for anythin their favorite rapper does anyway.
thread feels like a golf resort
Hey Bob swell weather we're having. It'd be nicer if there wasn't so much... ahem... "Shade" around us though
Breh, I don't care enough about your post to be bothered by it. I'm just telling what I think about the claim that Jay was capitalizing off of Em's fanbase. It's people making up ulterior reasons fro Jay Z putting Eminem on his album, which isn't capitalizing on a fan base as much as it is featuring someone on a song. That's not capitalizing on a feature. Capitalizing on a feature is making sure that people know about it. Meaning that the artist is making it a point to promote that feature. They've done more promotion for that song in recent years (their performance on Letterman a few years ago) than they did when it first came out. Even then, it's not like it did anything for Jay's fan base.
Hardcore fans of an artist aren't going to purchase albums of another artist just because their favorite is featured on it. That's common sense. Your claim is far fetched. Jay is much more of a better business man to put an Eminem on an album and hope Eminem fans support it. On top of that, putting Em on the album and not making it a single. If anyone in this thread is bothered, it's clearly you. You're bothered by the fact that maybe just maybe Jay at the very least liked Eminem enough to do a record with him. Jay could've done a song with Nelly too. He had a huge fan base at the time as well.
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:mspaintcamumad:Look at you doin all this complainin yet say you don't care about my post you clearly bothered by it, Jay stay makin moves to capitalize on shyt and he wasn't simply puttin someone on a song that was Em's song he basically featured himself on it for his own album Em produced it did the hook and had a standout verse. People did know about it that was one of the most talked about songs on the album and errbody already knew about his album to begin wit he didn't have to promote the song, you actin like he some up and comin rapper strugglin for a buzz everyone was checkin for his album all he had to do was put the song on there and I never said it did anythin significant for Jay's fanbase but his intention was to get Em fans to cop the album.
STANS would buy an album cause they favorite is on it especially if its a big song and even more so if its one of HIS OWN songs, thats obvious and your desperation to discredit my point is blatant reachin. Jay wasn't ridin on Em for all of his album sales but he did put him on there lookin to move extra units from Em fans THATS common sense you don't feature rappers on your album for the hell of it you hopin it brings in more interest, smarten uphe didn't need to make it a single it was gonna have hype just by it bein a collab between the two of them and sure enough it did. 
You the most bothered in this thread which is why you still doin this pointless bytchin about me sayin Jay was lookin for Em fans to buy his shyt, you're butthurt cause you know Jay just wanted Em for the publicity and numbers and not out of some admiration that you fantasize about. Nelly had similar type of hip hop fans that Jay did, Em had them suburban cac fans who don't fukk wit hip hop but listen to Em (like you).
:mspaintcamumad:Look at you doin all this complainin yet say you don't care about my post you clearly bothered by it, Jay stay makin moves to capitalize on shyt and he wasn't simply puttin someone on a song that was Em's song he basically featured himself on it for his own album Em produced it did the hook and had a standout verse. People did know about it that was one of the most talked about songs on the album and errbody already knew about his album to begin wit he didn't have to promote the song, you actin like he some up and comin rapper strugglin for a buzz everyone was checkin for his album all he had to do was put the song on there and I never said it did anythin significant for Jay's fanbase but his intention was to get Em fans to cop the album.
People knowing about the song =/= Em stans knowing about the song, liking it, and buying an entire album for two verses, a beat, and a hook. My whole point is, Hip Hop fans and Jay Z fans in general =/= rabid Eminem fans who only listen to Eminem. That doesn't even fit into the logic that people use regarding Eminem. They don't care enough about a feature when they supposedly don't even listen to rap outside of Eminem.
I'm not the one whose butthurt. You clearly are though. You made a rather baseless claim and have done nothing to back it up because it's rooted in your bias that says Jay could never do a song with Eminem simply because he liked/respected his talent enough. You're looking for ulterior motives to the point where you're literally speaking for Jay Z.
Act like suburban cacs (which you probably are especially since that's the default response for butthurt, insecure posters who can't support their points) didn't jump on the Jay Z bandwagon after the Annie sample. Act like surbruban cacs didn't cop Country Grammar in bulk.
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Em stans are "people" and once again I didn't say it worked I said Jay was hopin they would buy the album cause of the song, you settin up a straw man argument now I never said hip hop fans and Jay fans were the same as cacs who only listen to Em I actually made it clear they were two completely different groups of people you so emotional you don't even remember what you arguin about.
I'm not talkin about what other people say I'm talkin about what Jay was thinkin and tryna accomplish, you obviously are butthurt you quoted me when I wasn't talkin to you and keep bytchin at me about this just for the sake of doin it cause I got you in your feelins.I pointed out somethin that is backed up by the facts of the song and what Jay usually does, hell common sense backs it up like I said the whole point of features is to get fans of featured artists to pick up the album your dumbass is tryna act like that applies to everyone except Em cause you want to pretend Jay did the song out of respect for your favorite rapper.:michaeljordanlaugh: YOU'RE speakin for Jay by statin he has such high regard for Em that he couldn't possibly have used his song for sales even tho thats the reason rappers always have big names on they albums, Jay especially is all about doin numbers and brags about it constantly yet you think thats not the case wit Em cause you're biased yourself like a true stan.
Yeah you irate as fukk now obviously me callin you a cac hit a nerve cause the truth hurts,
the default response of a suburban cac when called out is to accuse the person exposin you of bein a cac themselves in a pathetic attempt to deflect:cacjordan:when a homotional bytch rushes in to cape for a white rapper that someone made a negative post about people are naturally gonna point out you have all the tendencies of a cac so get over it and stop bein so butthurt. I've also noticed you cacs on here like to project and sayin someone is "insecure" after they make you mad is one of the main things yall say
don't know what I'd have to be insecure about but I supported my point while you've been graspin at straws and flailin your arms desperately tryna create a counter argument. Act like Em doesn't have way more suburban cac fans than any rapper in history
act like the large majority of Em's fanbase aren't suburban cacs makin you look further suspect for capin so hard for him.:mmmhmmiseeyou:
Em stans are "people" and once again I didn't say it worked I said Jay was hopin they would buy the album cause of the song, you settin up a straw man argument now I never said hip hop fans and Jay fans were the same as cacs who only listen to Em I actually made it clear they were two completely different groups of people you so emotional you don't even remember what you arguin about.
I pointed out somethin that is backed up by the facts of the song and what Jay usually does, hell common sense backs it up like I said the whole point of features is to get fans of featured artists to pick up the album your dumbass is tryna act like that applies to everyone except Em cause you want to pretend Jay did the song out of respect for your favorite rapper.:michaeljordanlaugh: YOU'RE speakin for Jay by statin he has such high regard for Em that he couldn't possibly have used his song for sales even tho thats the reason rappers always have big names on they albums, Jay especially is all about doin numbers and brags about it constantly yet you think thats not the case wit Em cause you're biased yourself like a true stan.
Yeah you irate as fukk now obviously me callin you a cac hit a nerve cause the truth hurts,
You would be a joke if your posts were actually funny, but you're attempting to use humor to pad a weak argument. Keep thinking Eminem is my favorite rapper just because I'm not buying what you're selling.
The point of a feature isn't because a rapper is trying to appeal to a fan base. Features are done because an artist feels that they want to collaborate. Yes, it can appeal to their fan base, but that's not necessarily the sole purpose of a feature because a lot of times the song doesn't translate like that. Jay's collaborated with a lot of rappers and usually they weren't singles or him trying to ride the wave of that artist's fan base. He's had everyone from Biggie to Big Boi to Killer Mike to Rakim to Nas on his albums. The songs were huge deals, but it's not like their fan bases were clamoring to buy the albums just because they were featured.
Jay Z did not need an Eminem feature to do numbers. He was already doing numbers before Eminem. In fact, Blueprint ended up doing less than his three previous efforts. If he was all about sales, why not release "Renegade" to inflate sales? I mean, according to you, he was trying to capitalize off Eminem's fan base by using the feature. Then again, I'm sure you don't even know what "capitalize" actually means.
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Of course its not funny to you since you're the joke and I always use humor to clown emotional fags like you, my argument is solid you're just throwin a hissy fit cause you don't like what I'm sayin. Its clear you a Em stan otherwise you wouldn't have rushed in here whinin about my posts and continue to bytch at me for days on end, don't try to front like you not a Em fan now that I called you out on capin for him and exposed you as a cac.No features for up and comin artists are to get people who aren't checkin for them to buy they album and established artists do the same to get other rapper's fanbases to cop, guys like Game and Ross are notorious for doin it and Jay is all about sales so you know he does it too he always has the biggest rappers at the time on his albums.
Namin Biggie (who nikkas always say he bitin and dikkridin) Rakim and Nas just proves my point cause in addition to those he also features non "legends" like Killer Mike and Sean Paul who were hot at the time if they a big name he puts them on there, 
he stay ridin waves thats what everyone gets on him about nikka don't throw the Drakes and Jeezys on his shyt cause he desperately wants to collab wit them he does it knowin they big stars wit fans that will potentially buy his shyt. This ain't nothin new cats been doin it for decades like Jada once said "nikkas throw us on they albums tryna boost they sales" you just don't want to acknowledge it cause you know it also applies to your boy Em and you tryna convince yourself Jay got such great respect for him that he put one of his throwaway songs on his album out of admiration.
The fact those other songs wit collabs weren't singles makes your "Renegade wasn't a single so he wasn't tryna capitalize on Em" argument even dumber if he ain't puttin a Biggie joint out as a single he damn sure ain't gonna do it wit a old Em song
again you keep actin like I said the fans bought it in masses I been said it didn't necessarily work but the intent was to get extra sales. Of course he didn't NEED Em to do numbers but he put him on to as Jada said "boost his sales", that album dropped in 01 at the height of Em's fame and success Em was the only feature on the album and the song was HIS song wit Jay verses added in place of Royce who don't got no fansits obvious what the intention was you just don't wanna admit it. Blueprint came out on 9/11 and still damn near went gold the first week sellin 420,000 copies which was MORE than Vol. 2's 350,000 first week sales so that "less than his 3 previous efforts" is
it wasn't even much less than Vol. 3's 462,000 you actin like it flopped or sold far less than those albums which is just a tactic to support your "single" argument. 
Evidently YOU don't know what "capitalize" means cause you think he needs to release it as a single to "capitalize" when just havin it on the album in the first place is enough it was a standout track everyone talked about the song even Nas mentioned it in his Ether diss, by the way Jay also used that feud to capitalize Takeover was the most talked about track on the album cause of the disses yet that wasn't a single either cause he didn't need to release it as a single for it to draw interest in his album (sound familiar? that also describes Renegade).
No features for up and comin artists are to get people who aren't checkin for them to buy they album and established artists do the same to get other rapper's fanbases to cop, guys like Game and Ross are notorious for doin it and Jay is all about sales so you know he does it too he always has the biggest rappers at the time on his albums.
The fact those other songs wit collabs weren't singles makes your "Renegade wasn't a single so he wasn't tryna capitalize on Em" argument even dumber if he ain't puttin a Biggie joint out as a single he damn sure ain't gonna do it wit a old Em song
You typed a whole wall of text for what? Yet, I'm the one who's emotional. You're infuriated over the possibility that Jay Z would do a song with Eminem because he liked his music. Not everyone has a skewed opinion of Eminem like you do. Some people can have a positive opinion of Eminem without being a fan of his music. Some people can do a feature with an artist because they like that person as an artist. Clearly, that concept goes over your head.
Killer Mike wasn't hot at the time that "Poppin' Tags" dropped. A lot of people weren't even really familiar with who he was. This was before "Never Scared" took off and a little while after "Akshon" dropped. People were familiar with his verse off "The Whole World" and might've recalled him from "Snappin & Trappin", but he was hardly hot. Sean Paul isn't a rapper. And again, Jay Z featuring the biggest rappers on a song isn't him "riding a wave". Vol. 1 is the example of Jay Z riding a wave because it's him hopping on the Shiny Suit bandwagon by getting a Hitmen helmed album.