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We should embrace a very left social democracy until the world is in a position to transform the economy to a socialism. I've never said that time is now. 
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ADevilYouKhow
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Is identity politics the buzz word of the week?
ADevilYouKhow
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Be serious for a minute I want you to flesh out your argument.
MajorVitaman
Superstar
This is #LowerLearning breh you didn't get the memo? Don't ask for anything tangible from communists because we're just not "educated" enough to understand how complex and great it is.
Let's all be good comrads and give everything we own to the white boy with the Karl Marx book.
You gotta do it first though 
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The gulag awaits you.
This is #LowerLearning breh you didn't get the memo? Don't ask for anything tangible from communists because we're just not "educated" enough to understand how complex and great it is.
Let's all be good comrads and give everything we own to the white boy with the Karl Marx book.
ADevilYouKhow
Rhyme Reason
If feudalism has a better track record than socialism souldn't we embrace it? @Darth Humanist was that the point you were making?
MajorVitaman
Superstar
ADevilYouKhow
Rhyme Reason
The first tangible by product of communism mentioned in this thread.
Lmao
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
Truly unfortunate that people can't grasp the actual origins of racism. So many books have been written on it, painstakingly tracing its historical origins. (, , , DuBois' writings on the Reconstruction era onward, etc...)
(the below applies to any of these Black political race fetishists who ignore all other oppression besides race)
If you're a relatively privileged Afrikan (male), it's easy to think race is the only important thing and should be considered first before all else. Because that's the only thing in this society that really, really negatively impacts you as a social force. But doing the historical research and social analysis to see where it comes from and how it can be defeated? Nah. Easier to say there are naturally always winners and losers (you just don't want to be in the latter category... bruised ego, you feel like less of a man because you don't exert social dominance like your cac counterparts), and imagine yourself being a "winner" over the people you see doing better than you in school or at your firm (might be cacs, Asians, even Black women -- whomever). You see that dynamic in your personal life as just the latest in a long line of racial conflicts dating back to pre-history.
A desire to swap positions with cacs is not antiracism. It's almost like juvenile frustration or jealousy from your personal life that you superimpose as some type of grand sociohistorical narrative. And you imagine yourself at the helm of some great movement, powered by the masses of Afrikans (who will labor and die for this), that will cause the system to reconfigure to put your specific group (i.e., Black & male & heterosexual & whatever other characteristic you feel is intrinsic to your identity -- this vision isn't inclusive of Afrikans who aren't male or heterosexual, much less non-Afrikans) at the top where cacs currently reside.
The worldview I described above has NO ANSWER for the questions I posed earlier and am again posing below:
(the below applies to any of these Black political race fetishists who ignore all other oppression besides race)
If you're a relatively privileged Afrikan (male), it's easy to think race is the only important thing and should be considered first before all else. Because that's the only thing in this society that really, really negatively impacts you as a social force. But doing the historical research and social analysis to see where it comes from and how it can be defeated? Nah. Easier to say there are naturally always winners and losers (you just don't want to be in the latter category... bruised ego, you feel like less of a man because you don't exert social dominance like your cac counterparts), and imagine yourself being a "winner" over the people you see doing better than you in school or at your firm (might be cacs, Asians, even Black women -- whomever). You see that dynamic in your personal life as just the latest in a long line of racial conflicts dating back to pre-history.
A desire to swap positions with cacs is not antiracism. It's almost like juvenile frustration or jealousy from your personal life that you superimpose as some type of grand sociohistorical narrative. And you imagine yourself at the helm of some great movement, powered by the masses of Afrikans (who will labor and die for this), that will cause the system to reconfigure to put your specific group (i.e., Black & male & heterosexual & whatever other characteristic you feel is intrinsic to your identity -- this vision isn't inclusive of Afrikans who aren't male or heterosexual, much less non-Afrikans) at the top where cacs currently reside.
The worldview I described above has NO ANSWER for the questions I posed earlier and am again posing below:
Even if it were possible to completely cut out cacs and other races from the Afrikan world, why should the masses of Afrikans rush toward the destination of a society where the best they can hope for is to be exploited by other Afrikans? Why should their goal be to have their exploiter have the same skin color as them and have names that come from the same language or linguistic family?
Why is it better or more desirable to get offed or disappeared by a Haitian, Nigerian, or Kenyan cop than a cac cop in America?
Why should race be privileged over class?
In the case of women, why should race be privileged over gender?
In the case of sexual minorities, why should race be privileged over fighting homophobia, etc.?
In the case of oppressed tribes in Afrikan countries, why should race be privileged over fighting oppression from the majority?
Why is it better or more desirable to get offed or disappeared by a Haitian, Nigerian, or Kenyan cop than a cac cop in America?
Why should race be privileged over class?
In the case of women, why should race be privileged over gender?
In the case of sexual minorities, why should race be privileged over fighting homophobia, etc.?
In the case of oppressed tribes in Afrikan countries, why should race be privileged over fighting oppression from the majority?
ummmm quite the opposite actually.
MajorVitaman
Superstar
I recall you saying that several months ago after sources were recommended and then you never actually followed through.Thanks for the reading reconditions. Ima check these out
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
I mean, it's one thing to say, we need more Black-owned businesses in our community to provide for our needs and get some resources. That is a fine observation. That can lead to some improvements from the current situation. But it isn't a solution for the masses of Afrikans. A Black boss will fire you just like a cac boss will, and nikkas will still be unemployed and struggling. We already know this will happen, look at the Afrikan countries. Economic imperatives don't change because the boss and worker have the same skin color. Independence for the Afrikan countries didn't automatically lead to a great leap in the quality of life of most Afrikans.
Race is a part of the equation to understand society. It's not the whole thing, and it cannot be understood in isolation from class, nor can class in our world be understood in isolation from race.
EDIT: It's even a fine observation to say that anti-Black racism is common in other groups - not just cacs but other minorities in America too. That is true. But WHY is that true and who really benefits from that? How does anti-Black racism come to take hold? (hint: it's part of the Americanization process for immigrants, and adopting it is how "ethnic whites" like Italians and Irish moved from persecuted groups to mainstream cacs)
Race is a part of the equation to understand society. It's not the whole thing, and it cannot be understood in isolation from class, nor can class in our world be understood in isolation from race.
EDIT: It's even a fine observation to say that anti-Black racism is common in other groups - not just cacs but other minorities in America too. That is true. But WHY is that true and who really benefits from that? How does anti-Black racism come to take hold? (hint: it's part of the Americanization process for immigrants, and adopting it is how "ethnic whites" like Italians and Irish moved from persecuted groups to mainstream cacs)
MajorVitaman
Superstar
I read when I can, some books I've read up on, others not yet.
they're on the list and I fit them in when I can. I learn a lot on the coli and I appreciate the various opinions challenging my opinions as I grow.
I also gotta get this degree breh 
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
I read when I can, some books I've read up on, others not yet.
I appreciate the sentiment of open-mindedness. If you have questions or want more book/article recommendations to learn about a certain area, feel free to ask and I will provide what I can.
Where it gets frustrating is when the discussion dumbs down into trolling and near-trolling like it was over the past few pages. That is discouraging when you're trying to have a serious discussion (silly me
) and when you've posted thoughts and sources on the topic as much as I have over the time I've been on the board 