End Private Property, Not Personal Property

[MajorVitaman]

I appreciate the sentiment of open-mindedness. If you have questions or want more book/article recommendations to learn about a certain area, feel free to ask and I will provide what I can.


Where it gets frustrating is when the discussion dumbs down into trolling and near-trolling like it was over the past few pages. That is discouraging when you're trying to have a serious discussion (silly me ) and when you've posted thoughts and sources on the topic as much as I have over the time I've been on the board

I feel you there's a lot of good info posted here. And things you & others on this forum posted on this site made me go from not wanting to vote in the prez elections to most likely voting for Bernie Sanders .

And I don't see my posting style as trolling. I know my personality isnt gonna mesh with everyone. I'm kind of an a$$hole.

 

[714562]

A desire to swap positions with cacs is not antiracism. It's almost like juvenile frustration or jealousy from your personal life that you superimpose as some type of grand sociohistorical narrative. And you imagine yourself at the helm of some great movement, powered by the masses of Afrikans (who will labor and die for this), that will cause the system to reconfigure to put your specific group (i.e., Black & male & heterosexual & whatever other characteristic you feel is intrinsic to your identity -- this vision isn't inclusive of Afrikans who aren't male or heterosexual, much less non-Afrikans) at the top where cacs currently reside.

Are you listening, Coli?

 

[CHL]

Are you listening, Coli?

**TLR

 

[MajorVitaman]

Are you listening, Coli?

"Black people don't play chess like everyone else, leave the economic empowerment to the foreigners leaching the world. We don't want reverse racism do we?"

 

[CHL]

"Black people don't play chess like everyone else, leave the economic empowerment to the foreigners leaching the world. We don't want reverse racism do we?"

That's what everyone is doing, are they?

 

[714562]

"Black people don't play chess like everyone else, leave the economic empowerment to the foreigners leaching the world. We don't want reverse racism do we?"

Actually, it's more like, "Playing chess doesn't mean that one side always gets to be the white pieces. Regardless of who that side is. Otherwise, you're not really playing chess."

 

[MajorVitaman]

That's what everyone is doing, are they?

People everywhere are trying to get by and provide for their family and communities. How can communism help our situation for Africans and the diaspora?

Actually, it's more like, "Playing chess doesn't mean that one side always gets to be the white pieces. Regardless of who that side is. Otherwise, you're not really playing chess."

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Editorial in the OP is the musing of someone with low aspirations.

Last year I bought my first house. 3600 sq ft, 5 bedrooms, 2.5 bathrooms on 1/3 an acre of land. I'll be damned if I have to "share it" with someone who did jack shyt to buy it because it's beyond the basic necessities.

And my boss, and his boss, and his boss, and her boss are all employees just like me. They don't own the means of production. Our executives do not make mega bucks and what money they do make is heavily tied to the performance of the company. The people who own the company are getting a pittance.... our margins are in the 2-3% range in a good year, and anybody with ~$40 in their pocket can become a stakeholder today. I'm so sick and tired of having to redress the misconceptions of socialists. I think there are some good ideas to be borne out of socialism but the idea that the most one should be able to own is a Kenny Loggins record is ridiculous and speaks to the low aspirations of people who naively subscribe to these beliefs. It's exhausting

 

[ill]

Editorial in the OP is the musing of someone with low aspirations.

Last year I bought my first house. 3600 sq ft, 5 bedrooms, 2.5 bathrooms on 1/3 an acre of land. I'll be damned if I have to "share it" with someone who did jack shyt to buy it because it's beyond the basic necessities.

And my boss, and his boss, and his boss, and her boss are all employees just like me. They don't own the means of production. Our executives do not make mega bucks and what money they do make is heavily tied to the performance of the company. The people who own the company are getting a pittance.... our margins are in the 2-3% range in a good year, and anybody with ~$40 in their pocket can become a stakeholder today. I'm so sick and tired of having to redress the misconceptions of socialists. I think there are some good ideas to be borne out of socialism but the idea that the most one should be able to own is a Kenny Loggins record is ridiculous and speaks to the low aspirations of people who naively subscribe to these beliefs. It's exhausting

I heard you got 5 bedrooms. Im claiming one of them for the greater good of society. I'll take the master. You enjoy the guest room

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

ple everywhere are trying to get by and provide for their family and communities. How can communism help our situation for Africans and the diaspora?

Black ownership would go a lot farther in advancing black empowerment than socialism, I can tell you that much.

Political systems don't operate in a vacuum and so many of the biases inherent to American culture would be manifested in American socialism. As long as blacks dont have the power to do for self, which full on socialism all but guarantees, we will be regarded and systematically treated as a subclass

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I heard you got 5 bedrooms. Im claiming one of them for the greater good of society. I'll take the master. You enjoy the guest room

We can rotate the master on a schedule with the rest of our komrade roommates

 

[714562]

People everywhere are trying to get by and provide for their family and communities. How can communism help our situation for Africans and the diaspora?

Oh for god's sake, do you want me to spell it out? The same player does not always get to be the white pieces.

 

[JahFocus CS]

More strawmen, please

 

[MajorVitaman]

More strawmen, please

Any societies, civilizations or empires in history that can be a model for helping Afrikans and the diaspora?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

More strawmen, please

Sure. Let's start with the author's implication that bosses own the means of production. :yadontsay: