Erick Sermon Gives SHOCKING Reason He Didn’t Produce On Nas Illmatic • DoggieDiamonds

[LevelUp]

Gems dropped by art barr

 

[Jerz-2]

Or 'Can't Wait'

Oh shyt

that would have been EPIC.

 

[L. Deezy]

erick was feeling himself back then and rightfully so.

I think people are going down the wrong road on what Erick meant..

He has talked about this before. He said he wasnt into how Nas rhymed back then. I know exactly what he meant because I was a Def Squad stan before I got into Nas music. I had a hard time getting with Nas shyt because rap was more about heavy simile use and Nas wasnt that. Erick said that before that Nas rhymes basically wasnt simile style like Red or Keith Murray. Nas was dope, but he wasnt that punchline rapper

 

[Surreal]

illmatic solidified a sonic and technical aptitude change in rap from erick sermon and the squad. who were the premier styles war group in this time period. Especially, in 1991. During the time period sermon cites here.
With the best all time styles war solo emcee in red.
predated by the most profound styles war group in das efx.
then predated by the original best emcee and originator of the posse cut skillshowcase. That would now be titled and evolve into being called the feature. In the rapper who predated red and efx in the rapper k solo.
solo who created singlehandily the posse cut feature model.
to even get on.
that allowed the idea for nas to get on and be the herald of the techical emcee revolution. to usher in the sonic landscape change on live at the bbq.

I have not gotten to the wu tang story just yet.
as i stopped the tape to rant on just the thread topic.

yet this does not seem farfetched..
yet it does show the coming cultural sonic landscape and technical skill revolution.

that red excelled at.
yet mostly any and every styles war based emcee did not transistion well fast enough. Or had to many errors from vocal tonality, pocketing, and just not being able to grasp and showcase actual technical aptitude to transistion.

Erick sermon included especially in this.
as culturally he was damaged beyond repair culturally in this change.
plus never transistioned wel enough in skill.
to grasp what he terms as street content based rap, then.
when he could have actually fit well into that era. Yet no one knew that wu tang protect ya neck twelve in the last quarter of 91. Would also administer a lane for legacy styles war acts to transition and Wu tang's desperately needed to ramp members in rae and ghost seized that opportunity.
just as through chance the month of the man. Gave red a commercial marketed turned social misfire. Into red transitioning and dominating in skill the entirety of the east coast major label artists outside of past legacy or sonic change top emcee holdovers like rakim, or finesse.
going into the sonic landscape and technical revolution in to the sales spike era. In which Erick had a resurgence or renaissance as a producer via defjam. BeinG acquired by universal and now part of and moving in and out technical revolution to the commercial degradation and erosion of quality rap.
to the jiggy era to the sales spike era.

so what sermon says here makes sense.


art barr



*slept on the same floors as k solo.

Yeah I could've seen Def Squad really shine in the new generation
Not E Dub cause of his vocal tone but Noble was already Cacs biggest fear after Time 4 Sum Ashun video. He found a cool lane and stayed in it but talent wise he was top 5..ever. Pure rhymer like Nas was when he 1st hit the scene
I miss the day when Nas used to just rhyme. When he just spits and stays in pocket, he's easily the best that ever done it. It's like he purposely tries not to be that emcee anymore..and that hurts

 

[Art Barr]

Yeah I could've seen Def Squad really shine in the new generation
Not E Dub cause of his vocal tone but Noble was already Cacs biggest fear after Time 4 Sum Ashun video. He found a cool lane and stayed in it but talent wise he was top 5..ever. Pure rhymer like Nas was when he 1st hit the scene
I miss the day when Nas used to just rhyme. When he just spits and stays in pocket, he's easily the best that ever done it. It's like he purposely tries not to be that emcee anymore..and that hurts

Redman videos acted as the gateway imagery.
people who were hired to falsely blame rap.
to protect the prison industrial economy.
they used red as a scapegoat.
where he probably suffered a lot more than we think about career wise.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Eric Sermon: '91 nas was too street

Some rap fans/media: nas changed his style n went street on It Was Written and started kicking that gangsta mafioso shyt. He wasn't built like that

Somebody lying n it ain't eric

iww it is a complete sellout gateway premier midatlantic style prison indistrial slash communicatons act listener album.
that seized the now speedy changing technical revolution.
to thrust it just as speedily.
into what would become eventually the death of all quality rap in jiggy.

iww was the sellout precursor album.
to nas going full degradation and jiggy on the next album.



art barr

 

[noodles]

Big up @Art Barr.. Had to log in.

They don't know about Erick Sermon 'Hittin Switches' - Who's Da Man soundtrack

Don't know bout the IWW slander..

 

[Art Barr]

Big up @Art Barr.. Had to log in.

They don't know about Erick Sermon 'Hittin Switches' - Who's Da Man soundtrack

Don't know bout the IWW slander..

record is one of the magnum opus funkadelic flips.
The funk soul samplin at the beginning is still ineffectious.

That beat and the whole shyt to the vid.
has been in my head since i decided to buy that twelve.

it is erick sermon best solo record and only standout solo output record, outside of the epmd era.
Erick was just on, on this record.

iww is a scourge and if that shyt was never made.
the culture would still have a profitable gateway business of rap to call home.
now everything is co-opted and misappropriated.
along with going completely awry and culturally in absolute disarray.


art barr

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Bassline would have been right there on a similar vibe to 'Halftime' too

What about Nas on 'A Miilion And One Buddah Spots' or 'Cosmic Slop' off 'Dare Iz A Darkside', though?

Or 'Can't Wait'

Nobody, and i mean NOBODY else should have been given Cant wait. Redman perfected that beat with the perfect verses.

 

[Surreal]

Redman videos acted as the gateway imagery.
people who were hired to falsely blame rap.
to protect the prison industrial economy.
they used red as a scapegoat.
where he probably suffered a lot more than we think about career wise.


art barr

Maybe that's why he went another route later. Still great emcee

 

[Art Barr]

Nobody, and i mean NOBODY else should have been given Cant wait. Redman perfected that beat with the perfect verses.

I thought red produced can't wait himself.
where if i remember right.
Erick made the hardest instrumental to rap to in the styles war era in tonite's the nite.

or did red make both.

I may have honestly forgot.
just like the whole qtip wu tang and now erick sermon fire or flood thing. That actually ruined rap's cultural major label quality song output and trajectory. Plus created what made the next change in rap that lead to vibrant thing. Where it felt like the reluanched native tongues went awry after stakes is high. Plus rza not having any vault any longer. So wu lost their edge, content, direction and pocket production wise over time from the situation. Leading to rae having to lead the resurgence of wu quality in the mixtape era for the clan.

wow, I gotta go to the crate for this j card listing on tonite's thr nite and can't wait.

tonite's the night is kinda easy.

can't wait though was in that weird cd explosion era. where twelves were kinda getting a ripoff. So my can't wait was a early release dr wax promo they sold me and I moved.




art barr


diggin is never done.
damn,.....cd's.
where tha fukk did i put them..
if you are a bboy from a major urban landscape.
never relocate.

shyt like your record collection because of technology becomes some shyt to think and care about. Even as far as its location and it being displaced from where you listened to them all those years to decades.

 

[Surreal]

iww it is a complete sellout gateway premier midatlantic style prison indistrial slash communicatons act listener album.
that seized the now speedy changing technical revolution.
to thrust it just as speedily.
into what would become eventually the death of all quality rap in jiggy.

iww was the sellout precursor album.
to nas going full degradation and jiggy on the next album.



art barr

Album hurt my feelings

He used melodic flows to disguise his sellout ways on the lp
He and Stoute modeling it as if Nas was gonna end up like Kool G as if that's a bad thing. Nas was already rich by time Illmatic dropped. He better than that.
The best when he wants to be. He's with lyrical abilities

 

[CHAIN]

illmatic solidified a sonic and technical aptitude change in rap from erick sermon and the squad. who were the premier styles war group in this time period. Especially, in 1991. During the time period sermon cites here.
With the best all time styles war solo emcee in red.
predated by the most profound styles war group in das efx.
then predated by the original best emcee and originator of the posse cut skillshowcase. That would now be titled and evolve into being called the feature. In the rapper who predated red and efx in the rapper k solo.
solo who created singlehandily the posse cut feature model.
to even get on.
that allowed the idea for nas to get on and be the herald of the techical emcee revolution. to usher in the sonic landscape change on live at the bbq.

I have not gotten to the wu tang story just yet.
as i stopped the tape to rant on just the thread topic.

yet this does not seem farfetched..
yet it does show the coming cultural sonic landscape and technical skill revolution.

that red excelled at.
yet mostly any and every styles war based emcee did not transistion well fast enough. Or had to many errors from vocal tonality, pocketing, and just not being able to grasp and showcase actual technical aptitude to transistion.

Erick sermon included especially in this.
as culturally he was damaged beyond repair culturally in this change.
plus never transistioned wel enough in skill.
to grasp what he terms as street content based rap, then.
when he could have actually fit well into that era. Yet no one knew that wu tang protect ya neck twelve in the last quarter of 91. Would also administer a lane for legacy styles war acts to transition and Wu tang's desperately needed to ramp members in rae and ghost seized that opportunity.
just as through chance the month of the man. Gave red a commercial marketed turned social misfire. Into red transitioning and dominating in skill the entirety of the east coast major label artists outside of past legacy or sonic change top emcee holdovers like rakim, or finesse.
going into the sonic landscape and technical revolution in to the sales spike era. In which Erick had a resurgence or renaissance as a producer via defjam. BeinG acquired by universal and now part of and moving in and out technical revolution to the commercial degradation and erosion of quality rap.
to the jiggy era to the sales spike era.

so what sermon says here makes sense.


art barr



*slept on the same floors as k solo.

Quality post.

 

[CHAIN]

I think peopleaq00going down the wrong road on what Erick meant..

He has talked about this before. He said he wasnt into how Nas rhymed back then. I know exactly what he meant because I was a Def Squad stan before I got into Nas music. I had a hard time getting with Nas shyt because rap was more about heavy simile use and Nas wasnt that. Erick said that before that Nas rhymes basically wasnt simile style like Red or Keith Murray. Nas was dope, but he wasnt that punchline rapper

Lies. 91 Nas aka Nasty Nas was 100% a punchline rapper.
Listen to the original version of It Ain't Hard To tell or Half Time. Nas was 2 different mcs on Illmatic. He became more poetic in 93/94.
Life's a bytch/The World is Yours/Memory Lane/One Love and the final version of It ain't Hard to Tell were all recorded late 93.
The other tracks sound different style wise.

Erick Sermon wasn't talking about the 94 Nas.

 

[W.I.Z.E.]

Lies. 91 Nas aka Nasty Nas was 100% a punchline rapper.
Listen to the original version of It Ain't Hard To tell or Half Time. Nas was 2 different mcs on Illmatic. He became more poetic in 93/94.
Life's a bytch/The World is Yours/Memory Lane/One Love and the final version of It ain't Hard to Tell were all recorded late 93.
The other tracks sound different style wise.

Erick Sermon wasn't talking about the 94 Nas.

Absolutely false fam. I remember that Nas very clearly.

Look at even Live at the BBq or even listen to his demo, which had his Verbal Intercourse verse.

Nas was NEVER a punchline rapper.

And back then EPMD was not THAT big to turn down Nas. Russell Simmons? Yes. Erick? Nah man.

He just made a really bad decisions, plain and simple.