Erick Sermon Gives SHOCKING Reason He Didn’t Produce On Nas Illmatic • DoggieDiamonds

[MikeStamina]

Absolutely false fam. I remember that Nas very clearly.

Look at even Live at the BBq or even listen to his demo, which had his Verbal Intercourse verse.

Nas was NEVER a punchline rapper.

And back then EPMD was not THAT big to turn down Nas. Russell Simmons? Yes. Erick? Nah man.

He just made a really bad decisions, plain and simple.

Your memory might be a lil fuzzy..lol
Epmd definitely was that big. (within rap circles)
Add in k solo, das efx, n redman. The movement was strong. Matter of fact I dare say they was the #1 hip hop crew in early 90's

 

[L. Deezy]

Lies. 91 Nas aka Nasty Nas was 100% a punchline rapper.
Listen to the original version of It Ain't Hard To tell or Half Time. Nas was 2 different mcs on Illmatic. He became more poetic in 93/94.
Life's a bytch/The World is Yours/Memory Lane/One Love and the final version of It ain't Hard to Tell were all recorded late 93.
The other tracks sound different style wise.

Erick Sermon wasn't talking about the 94 Nas.

My nygga.. dont call me no liar bytch. Ill find the interview where he said it

 

[Fukwatutalkinwatisaylaw]

I could hear nas rapping over 'just like music'

It took me a long time to like that but I bet if Nas woulda murked that beat I woulda liked it from jump..I can def hear him killin that shyt

 

[kes929]

nobody said he went street.. It Was Written was looked at as commercial

I have no idea why people think it was written was commercial. That album is pretty gritty and the songs that are for the radio aren't even commercial. People have found a way to try to discredit nas since his career began Haha

 

[Art Barr]

I have no idea why people think it was written was commercial. That album is pretty gritty and the songs that are for the radio aren't even commercial. People have found a way to try to discredit nas since his career began Haha

you just easily, exposed yourself as a communications act gateway rap fan.


art barr

 

[Surreal]

I have no idea why people think it was written was commericial

Cause OB4CL came out the year before. That subject matter shoulda stayed in 95. Mafioso lyrics have no legs for growth(Rick Ross). Specially with that melodic flow. Had the nerve to double down with the Firm trash a year later. It's a reason Rae and AZ never gained a greater audience than their 1st joints. Nas saving grace was Illmatic

 

[Art Barr]

Lies. 91 Nas aka Nasty Nas was 100% a punchline rapper.
Listen to the original version of It Ain't Hard To tell or Half Time. Nas was 2 different mcs on Illmatic. He became more poetic in 93/94.
Life's a bytch/The World is Yours/Memory Lane/One Love and the final version of It ain't Hard to Tell were all recorded late 93.
The other tracks sound different style wise.

Erick Sermon wasn't talking about the 94 Nas.

Absolutely false fam. I remember that Nas very clearly.

Look at even Live at the BBq or even listen to his demo, which had his Verbal Intercourse verse.

Nas was NEVER a punchline rapper.

And back then EPMD was not THAT big to turn down Nas. Russell Simmons? Yes. Erick? Nah man.

He just made a really bad decisions, plain and simple.

deragotory sellout sneak diss terms like punch line rapper did not exist back then.

nas was completely an original one of one and the herald that ushered in the technical revolution.
if anything nas was referenced as the illest.
hence, illmatic as the name of the album.
Which is where him big l and jeru as newcomers.
ushered in ill factor as an idea for that era of emcee in the transition of style wars era.
to the technical revolution ushered in by nas.

the four best prospective solo emcees in that era were:

nas
big l
jeru

mase [later distant dark horse because of delay,...yet still a style seat carryover best as an unsigned emcee. Potentially the beat prospective talent as well as far as skill metrics. To be honest..even though i hate to after he souled't out on badbou to usher in thr jiggy movement that degraded us to where we are now.]

the groups were:

micronauts
warlock [or now lox

as big l and jeru were the last style war to technical album unreleased known unknowns solo artist with a deal. Who were the last prospective solo greats of the styles war era. Where both, jeru and big l endured two of the longest record delays in rap history for the kind. Putting their lp's out of the technical revolution and in the limbo of styles war legacy carryover artists. As both big l and jeru were the last great unsigned solo newcomers of the styles war era. Yet more technically proficient via their respective crews technical and vocal tonality based quality and standard, as unsigned virtual rookies as solo artist.

as guru was a premier savant level emcee lyrically to vocal tonality based marvel.
In the late beginning of the new school way of thought with I manifest.
so following that pedigree jeru was welled in that high quality vocal tonality based pocketed flow.
similar to,..although original to guru's clarity based high quality vocal tonality based skillset vocally.
Whereas nas had a clean technical base from large professor and the contingent of rappers and producers who saved rap from doom.
in commercialization from hammer to vanilla ice.

which feature anyone from zeb love x to main source to third bass.

with big l,....of course descended in family tree and pedigree by way of finesse and ditc.

Where big l as well as nas and jeru fit and followed model of the possecut standout set by sermon's squad member k solo.

art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Cause OB4CL came out the year before. That subject matter shoulda stayed in 95. Mafioso lyrics have no legs for growth(Rick Ross). Specially with that melodic flow. Had the nerve to double down with the Firm trash a year later. It's a reason Rae and AZ never gained a greater audience than their 1st joints. Nas saving grace was Illmatic

obfcl toed the last line of content and direction midatlantic seaboard COVERT street slang content rich rap could have gone in.

as back then if you were not heavily engrained in the culture and past transistional era from old to new school way of thought slang to and in the crack era. You would not have found any casual. who could have ever told you wtf wu tang was talking about bar to bar past cream.
as i am the online personality that deciphered wu tang lyrics and de la soul lyrics first in print. That was then sharked by the source and later ohhlala. As articles and then an actual site that tried to take credit for this is a lie.

they stole it from me in sept 1997 from Daved.com message board.

so the whole idea of people even knowing in general wtf those type of rhymes even meant were few and far between.

when nas made iww. He completely dumbed down but ratcheted up lifting couplets.

plus used readily accessible gateway drug slang.
that was more akin to that found on early ruthless records to before southern independence from the west. Southern barebone meets rutheless records to midatlantic commercial based gangsta rnb hybrid record.
whereas midatlantic slang were not even generally known in that era. As his skill set started to emulate the same melodic flow.
that rae picked up from live and let die from g rap.
that after roots of evil dropped.
people erroneously said G rap was biting Raekwon.
When both now nas and G rap were lifting g rap.
so G rap lifted his shyt back o. Roots of evil
plus it leaned on rnb hook based recreation of past sellout break records


just this whole shyt has been deflected away from the truth.
to deflect away from the fact nas sold out with stoute and trackmasters. Then further created even more erosion aligning with puff.



art barr

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Absolutely false fam. I remember that Nas very clearly.

Look at even Live at the BBq or even listen to his demo, which had his Verbal Intercourse verse.

Nas was NEVER a punchline rapper.

And back then EPMD was not THAT big to turn down Nas. Russell Simmons? Yes. Erick? Nah man.

He just made a really bad decisions, plain and simple.

Deja Vu, with the Verbal Intercourse verse, was actually recorded in '95.

 

[spliz]

Bassline would have been right there on a similar vibe to 'Halftime' too

What about Nas on 'A Miilion And One Buddah Spots' or 'Cosmic Slop' off 'Dare Iz A Darkside', though?

Or 'Can't Wait'

Nas on “Cant Wait” would’ve been otherworldly.

 

[spliz]

nobody said he went street.. It Was Written was looked at as commercial

But in reality he went too street for purist liking. It didn’t match their “perception” of who he was.

 

[Ziggiy]

This is a really good thread. I like hearing the older heads (no offense) talk about the golden age of rap.

I miss the day when Nas used to just rhyme. When he just spits and stays in pocket, he's easily the best that ever done it. It's like he purposely tries not to be that emcee anymore..and that hurts

Nas has said many times that, Because he’s mastered that style, it bores him. He’ll never do an entire album like that again. He still does it on songs here and there (first verse of Lost Freestyle) but Nas wouldn’t be the Nas of today if he was just a straight spitter, he’d be Nature.

I have no idea why people think it was written was commercial. That album is pretty gritty and the songs that are for the radio aren't even commercial. People have found a way to try to discredit nas since his career began Haha

It Was Written isn’t overly commercial at ALL. Which is why its an album whose reputation has grown overtime and has increased in standing within Nas’s discography. Also I think its worth mentioning that the line between “street” and “mainstream” was VERY thin back then, especially for an artist as highly regarded as Nas. Remember, Nas was being mentioned as the successor to Rakim. RAKIM! Imagine if Rakim would have dropped a “street Dreams” like single. It probably would have been considered sacrilege.

If Nas would have stayed on some “cruddy shyt” he’d have never reached his full potential and he certainly wouldn’t be the legend we know him as today. You can’t make Illmatic twice. Thats a once in a lifetime album. Therefore any attempts to replicate it would have seen diminishing returns. Nas did what he was supposed to do for HIS career. Not the backpackers, the rap nerds, the so called “purists” who didn’t see the vision. It Was Written made Nas a superstar and he was spit his ASS OFF on that joint

 

[Raw Lyrics]

I loved iLLmatic and It Was Written. I copped both albums, in fact, I remember copping It Was Written on Tape, reading the lyrics upon unfolding the album cover, then going to watch ID4 with Will Smith.

My first time listening to IWW was in my boy's S500....and I remember the shyt sounding so clean.

Was definitely a departure from Illmatic sonically, buy it needed to be. Can't be releasing the same shyt twice.

Take it In Blood
Affirmative Action
Set Up
Suspect
Watch Dem nikkas
I gave you Power

...were all classic cuts, and it was the soundtrack to my life during the summer of 96 when I was a youngin out on the streets causing mayhem.

And if anyone has a problem with me liking IWW, they can eat a muphakin dikk.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

if the green eyed bandit was on this style back then



nasir would issued lyrical gymnastics on this beat better than face

 

[spliz]

Absolutely false fam. I remember that Nas very clearly.

Look at even Live at the BBq or even listen to his demo, which had his Verbal Intercourse verse.

Nas was NEVER a punchline rapper.

And back then EPMD was not THAT big to turn down Nas. Russell Simmons? Yes. Erick? Nah man.

He just made a really bad decisions, plain and simple.

nikka Live At The BBQ was littered with punchlines. What do u nikkas be listening to? This is why rap fans can’t get in agreement. nikkas just be coming up wit shyt.