ESPN Reports Deflategate was about Goodell getting the Patriots back for Spygate

dizzy4111

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You're all acting like I'm arguing that point though.

My only argument in this entire thread is "extra video and extra diagrams aren't the reason this same team won 4 rings spread out over 14 years of time. All that information they acquired wouldn't have lead them to a championship, let alone 4, without an elite team executing that knowledge."

Pretty objective comment and I've been more than civil the whole time. You all just coming down harder on me because I'm s Patriots fan. It's cool tho.

Funny thing is I'm not even a big football fan, I'm a basketball guy. Knowledge doesn't win championships in any sport without elite talent behind it.

Right, but "extra video and extra diagrams" or whatever were more than enough to put them over the top. When you consider that what put them over the top was completely illegal and unethical the organization deserves to be condemned and they deserve to have a shadow cast over those titles.

Obviously, they still have to play the games. But, going so far above and beyond in their rulebreaking that teams had to focus on not having their play scripts stolen is utterly ridiculous.
 

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Had to google when the last time you had a winning season. been awhile huh :francis:

2003 2003 NFL AFC West 3rd 4 -12
2004 2004 NFL AFC West 4th 5 -11
2005 2005 NFL AFC West 4th 4 -12
2006 2006 NFL AFC West 4th 2 -14
2007 2007 NFL AFC West 4th 4 -12
2008 2008 NFL AFC West 3rd 5 -11
2009 2009 NFL AFC West 3rd 5 -11
2010 2010 NFL AFC West 3rd 8 -8
2011 2011 NFL AFC West 3rd 8 -8
2012 2012 NFL AFC West 3rd 4 -12
2013 2013 NFL AFC West 4th 4 -12
2014 2014 NFL AFC West 4th 3 -13

A lots gone on in the world since you finished better than .500 :wow:...let me remind you in case you're as retarded as you appear

1. The US invaded and occupied Iraq







2. Facebook launched






3. Smartphones were invented






4. Roughly 800 million people were born






5. Miley Cyrus turned 11 years old






6. Michael Jordan retired from basketball...






...played a ton of golf...






...then bought the Bobcats, and ran them for almost four years






7. Lebron James' entire NBA career








8. In Da Club topped the charts






9. The Raiders fired six different head coaches...






10. ...and more than fifteen different Raiders started at quarterback



Well, there's always next year. :itsalrightbreh:
Jesus :shiet:
 

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You're all acting like I'm arguing that point though.

My only argument in this entire thread is "extra video and extra diagrams aren't the reason this same team won 4 rings spread out over 14 years of time. All that information they acquired wouldn't have lead them to a championship, let alone 4, without an elite team executing that knowledge."

Pretty objective comment and I've been more than civil the whole time. You all just coming down harder on me because I'm s Patriots fan. It's cool tho.

Funny thing is I'm not even a big football fan, I'm a basketball guy. Knowledge doesn't win championships in any sport without elite talent behind it.


no one is denying the Pats are a good team which makes this whole mess even more fukkery. The fact u had the game plans from a team for that specific game shows u guys cheated and there's no way around it. You can try to spin it all u want but having a teams game plan is not the same as watching film. Each team takes a different approach each week depending on the opponent and that goes for both the offense and defense in which your team had access to.

but lets just say that your logic is correct and that watching film is the same shyt. Why then did they send someone in to steal the game plans for? do u not see that stealing is wrong? explain that
 

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no one is denying the Pats are a good team which makes this whole mess even more fukkery. The fact u had the game plans from a team for that specific game shows u guys cheated and there's no way around it. You can try to spin it all u want but having a teams game plan is not the same as watching film. Each team takes a different approach each week depending on the opponent and that goes for both the offense and defense in which your team had access to.

but lets just say that your logic is correct and that watching film is the same shyt. Why then did they send someone in to steal the game plans for? do u not see that stealing is wrong? explain that

So ESPN reports are gospel now huh I'll have to remember that
 
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Right, but "extra video and extra diagrams" or whatever were more than enough to put them over the top. When you consider that what put them over the top was completely illegal and unethical the organization deserves to be condemned and they deserve to have a shadow cast over those titles.

Obviously, they still have to play the games. But, going so far above and beyond in their rulebreaking that teams had to focus on not having their play scripts stolen is utterly ridiculous.

I appreciate that you disagree with me yet keep the conversation agenda-less and as normal as it started.

And I agree that stealing playbooks from someone's locker room is :wtf: and wrong.

I just think every team, more or less, knows what is coming from the opposition. They all scout and watch film religiously to dissect every teams tendency in every situation. Pats acted shady to get additional game plan knowledge, I just don't think that knowledge completely negates what they accomplished repeatedly.

Did it help, obviously, but we just disagree about how much of a factor it was to all of those wins.

To the rest: I don't see a problem with any of this discussion, I'm cool with people disagreeing with me. I happen to live in New England but I'm not even a big enough football fan to be a Pats stan. Nothing wrong with a disagreement.
 

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You're all acting like I'm arguing that point though.

My only argument in this entire thread is "extra video and extra diagrams aren't the reason this same team won 4 rings spread out over 14 years of time. All that information they acquired wouldn't have lead them to a championship, let alone 4, without an elite team executing that knowledge."

Pretty objective comment and I've been more than civil the whole time. You all just coming down harder on me because I'm s Patriots fan. It's cool tho.

Funny thing is I'm not even a big football fan, I'm a basketball guy. Knowledge doesn't win championships in any sport without elite talent behind it.
having film and breaking down signals isnt very nefarious imo. all teams are trying to do that to gain an advantage. sending guys into visiting teams hotel rooms to dig thru trash and having guys infiltrate locker rooms to steal the scripted plays to the point where teams start leaving decoys around is a fukking joke, and completely bytch made behavior. acting as if knowing what a team has designed to run vs them in their game plan that week isnt any different than breaking down film footage of some teams previous games is a comically bad hot take
 

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It would take a name to the source, it's funny how they're all anonymous though :mjpls:

You mean like the Patriots' legal counsel that confirmed that NFL execs literally stomped on the tapes and destroyed the documents?

That's really the only one that matters. That it's coming from the Pats legal counsel makes it as damning as possible.
 
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having film and breaking down signals isnt very nefarious imo. all teams are trying to do that to gain an advantage. sending guys into visiting teams hotel rooms to dig thru trash and having guys infiltrate locker rooms to steal the scripted plays to the point where teams start leaving decoys around is a fukking joke, and completely bytch made behavior. acting as if knowing what a team has designed to run vs them in their game plan that week isnt any different than breaking down film footage of some teams previous games is a comically bad hot take

I agree with you man, I think my hot take was originally misunderstood which is why I feel the need to clarify (even tho we still disagree lol but there's nothing wrong with that either).

I know there is a big difference between watching film and stealing a game plan/playbook. I just disagree with you guys on how much of a factor that information was to those wins.
 
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